it's funny i always got good intel on Z1 even if i did not always act on it. In the beginning it was pretty damn entertaining too. But i was not really looking for anything other than a good time. I was basically just trying to avoid the ROB's and have fun. I remember i would pretty much blind lap with anyone if i didnt remember their name as a rob. I only had a couple bad dances thanks to Z. Although you could out yourself pretty easy as a reader of Z just by your expression. I remember a girl, oh lets call her... air liz, she introduces herself and asks for a dance. My smile immediately dropped off my face and i am sure it was replaced by a look of horror. I never even had to turn her down verbally she just said OK maybe later. nowadays i think z2 lacks some entertainment value of the old board, but i think thenew format could actually be better and much more informative. It keeps bs to the minimum, if some guy has a gripe the girls can give us an alternate perspective of the same situation. Some guy might call a girl low mileage or a rob with fnfz and she can come on here and say no, i just don;t like guys going for the wholepackage in the first 30 seconds, once i relax and get to know you we will have fun. Even some of my favs used to like to ease into the dance. One girl who i used to get pretty crazy with, used to like the first song or two to be slow then she would tell me to go for it. The more relaxed i would be the more aggressive she got. So in a format like this the girl can actually give her side, and when we go in, see that she is hot & our type we know she is a great lapper but she is just gonna have to take a little time to warm up. Like a little Nash rambler :) once we all(dancers & customers) get used to this site things will take off

bbob oh god no! that was like a year and a half of crazy rainmanlike ranting "all the good girls left all the good girls left Charlie Babbitt all the good girls left 246 toothpicks ooooooooooowwwwwwwww"

Z Bone said:I know there were many lawyers on Z1. Not sure how many are here on Z2 but will be interesting to see who replies to this post. Sounds like this could easily be a PHD thesis, if it isn't already. Yup. Not to say that people who like to dance with naked women are doing so for anything other than the best intentions :) But there is a predator element who seeks out what they perceive as predators for their prey. Outfox the fox as it were. I remember talking to my mother once and she explained what a different person my father was before law school. Even though he worked for my grandfather who was also a lawyer. Everything became a battle and nothing was ever enough. watch Monty Python's the argument and you get a better understanding of the futility of arguing with someone who is never wrong.(side note, in lawyer speak when someone says you are making their point for them it means the opposite just like when a politician at a press conference says I am glad you asked that question) My father was a bulldog and loved to keep pounding and rubbing it in after the battle was over. When i was a freshman in college he had me take off school to do some work with him. We ended up at an insurance company and he had an employment app all filled out for me. I couldnt figure out what was going on, but he told me he would explain it later. In a nutshell i did it. I am in there and the guy says"these are your only references?" and i said yes call them(as my father had told me to do) which he did and flew into a rage shortly thereafter and had me escorted from the building. My father almost wet his pants laughing. He had won a huge corporate lawsuit against the company the week before. The largest in CA history for its kind, so he sent me in to rub it in. My references were the president, the lead counsel for his  company and my father as a personal reference. When the HR person called the president and told him my name and the other two references ,the president hit the roof. Best practical joke ever, even though i didnt think it was too funny until later.

thought i would start a topic so people can comment without taking other threads off topic. As i have said i come from a family of lawyers. I have spent my whole life experiencing first hand the baggage that comes with the territory.   Just to put things in  perspective if a psychologist were to examine many lawyers it would be quite fascinating. Control issues, the rationalization of always needing to right, or the ultimate authority as they themselves are  unable to control their own fate as that belongs to the judge/jury. Look at the 9th circuit court of appeals. the most reversed court of it's kind in the nation. No matter how good of job you do, you are subject to a decision that goes beyond the law. It becomes frustraing when you are forced to do your job with limitations against someone who is not. Anyway this manifests itself much like bullying. lawyers get bullyied by the system and unknowingly seek satisfaction in their personal lives by bullying others. The strong beat up the weak "because they can" Lawyers are notorious philanderers, they seek out girls, labeling them predators or gold diggers so they do not feel guilty."She was trying to exploit me i just got her first" it fits nice &neat and allows the guy to sleep well at night. I have known plenty of actresses for instance who have had relationships with married lawyers, the lawyer would take care of the girl financially until she became dependent on  him. then he slowly removed the finances. Sometimes he even hired her at a salary that would not support the lifestyle he set her up in, car apt etc. So she is making 30 grand a year but has to pay rent & car payments that add up to more than that. Of course he can say he was doing her a favor by helping her out blah blah blah but ultimately he feels good because he never trusted her. After all only a money grubbing vulture would date a married man. Only a money grubbing slut dances naked, only a money grubbing whore takes money for sex. Get the picture? sometimes we see the problem sometimes we are the problem

to try and get back on topic also leads us back to off topic. from my personal experience i see some people who have an agenda/perspective that they wish to expound on and it gets a bit tedious. In this thread i would say it amounts to trolling. So why come back when it just becomes Same Shit Different Day? Everyone is allowed to voice their opinions but c'mon. I come from a family of lawyers, I learned alot of good lawyers really cannot stand other lawyers because of what the law turns you into. Your perspective changes, you do not really value other perspectives only your own. think of it this way, a lawyer is supposed to look at something that might be universally accepted as good and find the flaw. Find the people who might be disadvantaged. Eventually this can turn into being purely argumentitive, playing "devils advocate" doing nothing but arguing for the sake of arguing. It becomes all so tedious. that is why i do not participate, i guess if we had an ignore feature so those posts that we do not wish to see maybe i would spend more time participating. This site was supposed to be fun, but when it becomes negative it ceases to be fun for me. Of course some people find the negative to be fun. In psychology they say that there are basically only two types of people, those who create and build in order to feel better about themselves and those who wish to diminish others accomplishments in order to feel better about themselves. Some people come here for the former , unfortunately their experience can be tainted by the latter.

Now on the otherhand we have someone who comes from a totally different perspective. Lets call him Meliki. His name alone shows us what an upbeat eternal optimist he is. Does life beat him down sometimes? Of course. But he does not dwell on it, he prefers to look at things from multiple perspectives, the Ying & Yang of life as it were. And sometimes he takes his Yang to a stripclub to let it air out a little. :P Because of his outlook on life, people really enjoy being around Meliki. Not just in Stripclubs but in life in general, it is incomprehensible to people unless they have experienced it. If you are a bitter person or even not just bitter but just not as personable as Meliki you do not have the same life experience. So it is impossible to comprehend, When people meet someone who is geniunely happy, those people enjoy doing something to show their gratitude for that person brigthening their day. This is looked upon as pure fantasy from outsiders, but Meliki experiences it everday because he lives it. People do things for him often, he knows it is not becuase he is handsome. But then someone told him because he does not consider himself goodlooking that is what makes him more so. Hmmmmmm how is that possible? Oh it is all about perception, isn't it? Meliki sometimes wonders if this is all just his imagination working, he sees a beautiful world and just perceives that is treats him nicer. But then he remembers the girl at the bakery that gave him his order for free because she said he always makes her day when he comes in, he thinks of the dancers who gave him money back when he tipped them. He realizes there is alot of monetary reinforcement to his perception of reality. And non monetary as well, the cute girl at the supermarket who blushes when he gives her a compliment, the job offers from people who want him to come to work with them, the people who seem to always go the extra mile to make his day. Meliki makes many friends and unfortunately there is not enough time in the day to spend the time he want with each of them. Sometimes he goes to stripclubs to get away from that. As an escort friend of his once said to Charlie Sheen"You don't pay me for sex, you pay me to leave" Been there done that, strippers are also paid to leave, so Meliki goes there for that reason. Sometimes though, the girls do not want that and Meliki feels the same way. The club becomes a source of trouble for him instead of an answer. But Meliki realizes this and wonders sometimes if he goes to strippers and escorts because he perceives them deep inside as the hardest nut to crack. They do this as a living after all, they see guys everyday so if subconsciously you are trying for the most difficult conquest of all Lesbians & sexworkers would be at the top of the list. Baiscally it all comes down to you reap what you sow. If you want people to think you are an asshole by and large people will treat you that way If you are nice to people, VOILA! they will be nice to you. to paraphrase anothe poster "don't come in here trying to be captian save a ho". that is not being a nice guy, that is trying to manipulate someone. However if you are geniunely nice(not trying to get anything that you do not pay for)girls will respond in a nice way and the next thing you know things have moved beyond business. there are exceptions but by and large that is my experience This post was edited by melikiblondes at April 16, 2012 8:19 AM PDT

Dani said: Hi Monga...  Im only gonna reply cuz you directed your last post to me, BUT......... it sounds like you've played Dr. Phil to way too many girls in the club that had issues .. not all girls are like that. stop talking to the girls that have problems and start having fun with the ones that don't.. end of convo.. g'night.. :)    (Meliki) I agree wholeheartedly and now i will play a little Dr Phil here. What is a principal function of Strip Clubs, a place where people go to relax and see beautiful women. Kind of like that line in Risky Business, "I deal in human fulfillment". Strip Clubs are a varied representation of that statement. So when a customer comes into a club the dancer does a quick assessment of who this guy is what does he want and if she is willing to provide a service that both of them will be comfortable with. Personal feeling may enter into it at some point for the dancer, but it is a business transaction, she knows she is providing a service.   Now Look at Monga's picture & posts. He has very firm ideas based on personal experience and no expectations of any true personal relationship. That is not part of his fantasy that he is seeking in the club. A dancer does not have to be a genius to figure that out, he is PROJECTING an image of himself here and most likely does so in the club as well. So the girls tailor the dances to give him what he wants, chances of him getting under a dancers skin and them actually falling for him? 0. If someone like this who wants to project a certain image(whether they realize it or not) if this type of person has a "weak" moment and shows a girl a little bit of humanity? Well  there are gonna be girls who will exploit it. So then the guy has a bad experience which, in turn, only reinforces his dim view of the stripclub world. His personality becomes more defined through the bad personal experiences which he unknowingly seeks. Anyone offering a view counter to his own experience obviously would have to be living in Never Never Land. Because by God he has seen this with his own eyes, he has walked the walk and talked the talk and he KNOWS!!! Strippers are money grubbing whores by God just out for what they can get. That is the nature of the business, that is what it is there for, the customers exploit the dancers and the dancers exploit the customers. End of Story. Simple, it makes life just so much easier. This post was edited by melikiblondes at April 16, 2012 7:46 AM PDT

Look i am not going to get into a long drawn out argument with someone with values different than mine and cannot accept that. I was merely trying to illustrate that contrary positions to yours have every bit the basis of reality as the arguments you put forth as absolute. Everything you stated is your opinion and everything i have stated is my opinion. Now lets just for a moment take a look at your profession. Lawyers need a different mindset and lawschool gives it to you. The profession neccessitates someone to look at something though to be universally good and find the flaws. Constantly looking for the bad in the good eventually carries over into real life. No dancer could actually like you because she is getting paid. No dancer does not hustle etc etc. People only do their jobs because they are paid. Well the IRS recognizes your job until after several years you fail to make a profit then they consider it to be a hobby. However in the real world artists do jobs for free, as i have many times. I have earned a full pension in my profession but in doing so i frequently did the job for the love of my craft and to share my expertise with others it was still my job, however not my hobby, Sometimes the paid experience was better than the non paid. Lets be honest here. I won't call u names but you believe people only do things for the money, because that is your experience anyone with an experience counter to yours you believe you can prove false. Fine. I am not going back and quote examples and belabor a point that you would be totally unwillingly to admit to because it fucks with your reality. If i were getting paid to have this argument i would continue to fuck with your perception of reality. Bringing forth plenty of examples contrary to your experience, but at the end of the day i do not have enough time to spend in more meaningful endeavors, let alone here. have a nice day, btw i really meant that and i was not paid to say so:P This post was edited by Z Bone at April 7, 2012 1:17 PM PDT

Tillrules said:"And yes, if you have to be paid to do something you cannot claim to truly enjoy it. Its as simple as that' (MB)Do actors and singers, artists do their jobs for the money? NO! they do it because they enjoy pursuing their craft. You simplistic view might work in your courtroom but not in the real world. Plenty of people do what they do for the enjoyment and in spite of the money. I have worked plenty of jobs for the enjoyment. Yes i had to paid because i cannot work for free, there is that damn real world getting in the way again.  Tillrules said "I do pretend to like the judges I'm in front of, even when I despise them. I will talk about other things with them, not because I give a shit about them, but because I want them to like me and grant my cases in the future." (mb)If you were a good lawyer you would be able to rely on your expertise , rather than trying to suck up to judges. I come from a long line of successful lawyers, they do not try to kiss up to judges, they were good and the judges had to recognize the law. If anything my parents flipped the bird to the judges and others. No phony friendships. Most judges disliked my father as he was good and did not suffer fools gladly no matter their position. I remember his contempt with people in positions of power. He was threatened with an audit from the IRS about some funds and he drafted a letter to them that said he did the bulk of is transactions in cash which was still the currency of the USA and if they had a problem with that they could meet in court. No audit. Similar problem with the City attorney, my Dad quoted the law  to him and says if you are not satisified i can meet you in court and prove it to you. Never heard a peep from them. If you have to pretend to like someone you should probably think about a profession where you can be more honest and let your skill set determine your value. Case in point the dancer who has to pretend that she wants to bang your bones and does the hustle. versus someone like the famous Celine from DVNH who let her dances speak for themselves. Plenty of girls like that out there, give me a chance to work my magic and i will give you what you came her for.Satisfaction. The difference is when you are truly good at your job there is no pretending, you bring your best and let people marvel at your expertise. This post was edited by melikiblondes at April 7, 2012 11:54 AM PDT

FWIW i agree with Manual all this crap about whether someone truly enjoys someone? Sorry but just because i do not make time in a busy life does not mean i aprreciate that persons company any less. And neither does it matter if business is involved. I have friends who i worked with everyday for quite awhile. We were good friends, i just do not have the opportunity to meet with them. It is just too dificult.But i would say there is no question how much i enjoyed their company. Then there customers that i miss and places where i was a customer where i would sit and chat and have a good time.but i have not the time to pursue any sort of relationship as i am juggling jobs and family responsibilities and many people are coming up short. So i can tell you from a business standpoint, there are still people who i never saw outside of the business enviroment who are true friends and that i miss even years later. And from a customer standpoint there are people i dealt with in business that i also consider my friend and have not the time. And as an employee the above also applies. Simply put some people make the best of what is given to them and enjoy the moment in their lives,unfortunately there is not time to pursue every relationship or every pursuit. That does not diminish their meaning to you. Now if you think a dancer who is balancing multiple jobs, school, family, children, babies daddy's, has time to pursue a platonic outside the club relationship with a customer and the fact that she does not somehow means she does not value the relationship as a true friend then either you have a rather pedestrian life or do not look at things logically. and @Ronin, i hear what you are saying but at the same time there is geniune appreciation between dancers and customers and sometimes the reasons why dancers reject customers are more compliated than mere business. Look basically the girls are selling a product, themselves when they are rejected they take it personally, hard not to. Especially when it is someone who has previously liked you.bought your product. Business in this context is very personal for the girls, rejection to them is personal rejection while to us it is usually a financial decision. My money my choice. So the girls get hurt and figure screw you. Ever break up with a girlfriend and get the silent treatment? same thing.

Yes and i have. Only one girl, she was a known low mileage girl in a low mileage club. We had a great relationship, i made her cum once and then did it again . I really miss her :{

Glad i am not the only one. Yes big or small it is what mother nature perfected that is attractive to guys. It doesn't have to be alot of jiggle, just a little natural movement is like a beacon sometimes. True story, i never sought out girls with a huge rack but some of my girlfriends have had them(all natural) so i was kind of spoiled, i notice a smile as much as a girls chest. I have hardly ever been guilty of letting my gaze drop in civilian life. Then this girl who was a receptionist at work, she had the cutest smile but very very small chested. It was summer and she had on a little workshirt, no bra because there was nothing to hold in and as i am talking to her i find my eyes dropping down and looking deep in her shirt. these two beautiful little baseball size boobs with nipples that were getting harder and perkier, then her chest kind of blushed and i realized i was just staring down there. I popped my head up and tried to apologize, but then i noticed she had this big smile on her face and was laughing. She said something along the lines of OMG no one has ever done that before ! you made my day month & year. Then she leaned over the desk gave me a nice kiss on the cheek and bit my ear. We were always friends but she never let me live this down, she never talked about it again but whenever she saw me she would give me a sing song"hiiiiiiiii eeeeeeeeeeeee" and then play with her hair and laugh. When she would walk by me in the hal & no one was looking she would shake her ass for me. She knew i didn't give a crap about any other the other girls in the offic . I was mesmerized by the skinny little blonde, nice jewish girl with little tits and a big smile. Nature knows what it is doing. @ senior caliente a girl i knew very well once told me when she heard andrew dice clay say "so there i am in line at the bank, behind this chick fantasizing about having my tongue deep in her asshole" she immediately thought of me. and she is right. when i am in a club i look at half naked girls and think "oh she seems nice" when i am out in the real world i daydream about which sales clerk i could make cum quicker, what her pussy tastes like and if she closes her eyes or likes to keep them open, all while my mouth is saying "do you have that in blue?"

I just wanted to add, that i am not a guy who normally salivates over women's boobs. But i have to say i must be spending way too much time in strip clubs as i forgot how mesmerizing a beautiful set of natural tits can be. I don't really know why girls want to replace a nice small set of naturals with big ol fake titties. Big naturals are something that cannot be duplicated, or even close. I owe and apology to SAL and all the other PL's who are constantly demanding big REAL titty. There is NOTHING like it, it is hypnotizing as you watch that milk shift slowly back & forth as a girl goes about her business. It is a slow sensual hula to a man's eyes and you salivate for the softness of that ample bosom as you take it in your mouth gently sucking and making your way to the nipple and feeling it get firm in your mouth as the girl moans her approval. Much better to have a small, even VERY small version of this than getting a broken nose from a silicone beach ball....

Did you ever have one of those days where it just seems like every girl you run into is an off duty dancer trying to torture you with her body? Just two examples of the kind of thing that was happening to me today. I go to get something to eat, and the girl is a hot little Latina with a nice smile, beautiful eyes. slim body and a rather, ample, full, natural bust. She was kind of chatty and she kept tugging at her top. She would put her thumb into the cleavage and yank hard until the round neck became a low neck. Everytime she did this, those boobs did a wonderful shift as the contents moved back & forth. In fact they almost never stopped moving, they just kept going and going and she was blabbering on about how hot it was today and i am trying to stare into her eyes and not think how bad i want to bury my face in her cleavage. My peripheral vision as i locked my gaze to hers was killing me. Finally i got my food and went on my way. Horny as a toad. I kept thinking of those boobs all day and thinking how i need to go there to eat everyday. On my way home i stop at a little italian bakery to get some bread. Another looker behind the counter, as i had been tortured enough for one day i almost turned around and walked out, but i could not tear myself away as this hottie was a busty blonde. Bascially she tortured me for another 5 minutes. I felt like that chain gang in Cool Hand Luke when the girl is washing the car. "I'm dyin I'm dyin, she don't know what she's doin" "ohhhh  boy she knows EXACTLY what she's doin!" The bakery girl even dropped the bread as she was sacking it so she could bend over and give me a deeper view, again of these perfect natural tits "oh, I'll have to get you another loaf, omg i dropped another. What is wrong with me today?!" she brushed her long wavy hair back several times to keep it out of her cleavage and then tugged her blouse down as well. I started thinking that maybe i am trapped in a Russ Meyer film all these civilians sticking their Huge Beautiful natural tits in my face. I am an OK looking guy but i was kind of sweatymessy have a two day growth of beard on my face so i can't see that being an attraction. Either of these girls would be a huge hit at a SC and yet they are working these jobs but very aware and proud of their bodies. The more you don't look the bolder they get. I  swear both these encounters were as sexy as some laps. When a salesgirl bumps into you constantly with her boobs like they are a battering ram and has a big old grin on her face, well...

oh i thought this was about UPTIME they used to sponsor my bicycle racing team. I guess it has a different meaning today lol. sorry

You know one time i asked a dancer for a dance. She didnt seem too enthusiastic. Later after we had a good time she told me it was because i looked like someone she knew. I know talking to girls sometimes they ask guys because they remind them of someone and others they avoid for the same reason. If you personalize rejection you will have a miserable life. If you learn to change your perspective and do what many of these other comments suggest If you know you are a good person and you are rejected who is the loser? they are. So why do you care? You can't save people from themselves or making stupid decisions just chalk it up to ignorance and move on. Good luck and happy lapping. lots of fish in the sea just try a different fishing hole.

Monga you are an idiot. Either that or pretty darn short on life experience. Civvies are more screwed up but you have just not experienced them. You can't bring in law enforcement when your job has you on the road for the two years, you know nothing of the situation. By the time you file something you are in another jurisdiction. Just because you can't imagine something because it does not fit into your narrow view of the world you believe you have a nice simple answer. Just because the people you have experience with cheat does not mean everyone does. You have had bad experiences like ilikaps points out and it tarnishes your view of the world. Thats fine live in a world where you believe you know it all and control everything. Guess what you really know nothing and controll nothing but denial is ok for you so be it.

No it s that the reality is they have had bad experiences? OK get it? My friend was not a dancer, but she told me everyday she had to run a gauntlet of Latinos learing at her, yelling at her. coming up to her in the store like she was a hooker on the clock. All the time every day. So if she were a dancer and a latino approached her it would be "God not again" I know girls who used to work peep shows. they said the Latino's never paid for a show they just paid admission and hung out learing at the girls. That is why they had to start hiring security because these guys would just stand and stare, If this is the way you respond to situations"take it in the ass" maybe it is your attitude that repulses women. Seriously. And if there is a racial problem it is the dancer and not you so just move on? I ran track at an almost all white school. We had literally less than one percent black students. I was on a relay team with 3 black guys and one guy literally would never talk to me. I asked the other guys what is problem was and they said"he doesn't like white people, leave it alone" They told me later he was jumped and almost killed by a white gang with baseball bats. I was nice to him, but i realized if i was in his shoes i would not talk to me either. That's life. It was his problem and his choice and had nothing to do with me. So i learned to grow a pair and not worry about what other people do. Maybe you should do the same...

DanthaMan said:LMAO what a lame attempt Melikiblondes and what again are you bringing to this subject? So what you're saying is ALL latinos are like this and that's their excuse to label us in this manner? Really? Because if we're going to play that game I can label every white guy as a Racist Uppidty Douche who thinks he knows everything or how about labeling every black guy as a thug trying to rob me? Or how all Asians can't drive? Or that All Arabs are terrorists? Or that All Jews are cheap? But yet, I don't think that because I was raised better than that and in a business where you're ONLY supposed to see the Green, it shouldn't be happening what am i bringing? Maybe some perspective that a. sometimes stereotypes actually are true percentage wise b.This business and none that i know of, are "all about the green"   girls have different levels of what they like to do and what they won't. Some do not like to be nude and that is why it is optional in some clubs. Sometimes a girl will get nude that normally does not, if she feels comfortable. I know girls in this industry who prefer to dance with guys that are "their type". That is their right this is not prostituition it is lap dancing and the girl has every right to her preferences. Now that can be based on whatever she wants it to be, maybe she does not like guys who wear a particular cologne, or guys who bathe in it.   The bottom line is the choice is up to the dancer, you don't have to like it but that is reality. This post was edited by Z Bone at March 22, 2012 8:55 PM PDT

I know a girl one day she was venting to me about Latino's. She told me about being sick, crawlin out of bed to go get medicine. She is in the store wearing her old baggy sweats that she slept in her hair all sweaty from a fever & she smelled pretty foul. She said she got hit on several times by Latinos before she left the store & parking lot. In Encino. I thought she was bsing she told me she see's gardeners in their trucks braking hard for 80 year old women to whistle at them. So i started paying more attention. You don;t know how many times i had to swerve and the reason is Latinos will slow down or stop anywhere to get alook at a woman and yell at her. There is a reason for the stereotype, If you were a girl you would know. I didn't beleive it either until i saw it over & over

Yes dancers talk smack about customers, even ones they like. I think it is a bad idea for them to say it publicly. Some people might think a dancer is talking about them(mistakenly) and stop getting dances. Meanwhile the customer who is being blasted for being stinky down low of course is oblivious, otherwise they wouldn't be stinky in the first place. So how does that help anyone and instead hurts someone's feelings wrongly and costs the dancer business. When you are paying money for a service it is kind of stupid for you to be criticised publicly by the person you are paying the money. Of course it is not going to make for a better experience. Let the girls talk smack in private, it is great for stress release but publicly it is only going to be counterproductive.

I understand Manual's point of view as well. I used to go to this one club quit a bit, purely as stress release. Did not want any dancer drama, just wanted to go in have a good time pay my money and go on with my life. To me it was like going to the Gym, I am going in with a purpose and don't want to talk to a bunch of gym rats ditting on the equipment instead of working out. Eventually at this club i would get a dancer who would either start with the dancer hustle that i could not turn off, or have a dancer latch onto me because i was "so nice". In both instances i found myself lying and bsing to get the hell out of there. I never take my phone into a club because one enterprising young hustler grabbed my phone and quickly called her cell so she would have my #. Because i was "so nice" she wanted us to get together the next day outside the club. I had to change my number as soon as i left. I am nice, i pay the girls well for what they do, i am not afraid or adverse to a friendship or relationship if there is a REAL spark for both people. In looking back i would say i can count on one hand the friends i have made over the years. I can totally understand both points of view. I keep an open mind, but i know exactly where people are coming from when all they want is a hot dance from a naked woman.

YUP! People think dancers are bad news get out in the real world. I was stalked for over two years by an ex girlfriend who was a legal secretary. I also had an ex gf who would call me every few months with weird ideas it was fun for awhile but this went on for all of the 80's and most of the 90's.She was an airline supervisor. I could go on & on, the girl i knew who called & wrote me(in the days before texting) every day on her HONEYMOON. Alot of people are emotionally screwed up. But when you think about it most people have very few relationships, Dancers have physical & emotional contact with many people per shift. They learn to handle their emotions, I would much rather be with someone who is experienced and been around the block a few times than someone who thinks you are sent from heaven because you gave her a good orgasm...

Monga Akbar said: If I want real intimacy, I will pursue civvie not strippa. Some guys have fear of commitment. It's natural. No guy want to be stuck with wrong girl for rest of his life. You get divorce-you are stuck for child support, etc. Strippa are okay to rent/lease some physical fun for a while. Monga Alot of "civvies" are far more screwed up than any stripper. I have met and worked with alot of nutjobs, I can't even began to tell you. Believe it or not some of the people in the sex industry are the much more balanced and "normal" than people outside of it. My best friend married an escort. She is a sweetheart, very smart business wise and street wise. An just a good person, very well adjusted. They have been married ten years now and everything is great. They have a nice family with kids. If he had an attitude like yours he would have passed up a great woman & a great life...  

Benn you forgot my fav Melikiblondes Get Nadine out of retirement con!

thanks for the info she is smart girl i am sure she will succeed in whatever she sets her mind to.

I always wonder where the good girls go, maybe someone here has an answer about NADINE from DVNH. Is she working anywhere else? I know she used to work a few of the other DV's but no one has seen her. Not only was she a good lapper she had a great attitude and was easy/fun to talk to. One of the few girls i would go out of my way for TIA, meliki

Resistol5150 said: try this test... Take every girl who comes up to you, and make some quick chit-chat. Just as you see some rapport building, and before she sits down...say "Actually, I must say that I was waiting for another dancer" Watch her expression change, she will turn off and then make a quick exit. I've had some that will keep hangin on and they sit down anyway...once in a while they turn into some really interesting convos.  Most of the girls that i have turned down in such a way have always continued to be respectful, nice & friendly. Sometimes the girl wil come back and say something like"I know you are waiting on your friend but how about we chat until she's ready?" A couple of girls i know are like that, and i think it benefits the customer & the club. It give the cluba a more relaxed atmosphere when the customers are being engaged with the dancers than when the dancers are sitting together in a corner ignoring the customers.