onlyVIPs said: Funny, I had the opposite experience with September in the 3-4-1's.  She asked for the tip upfront but she delievered.     -->You must be a White Dude,  Cuz I don't think she's into Hispanics.

sal_acious said:Lou, what Name did that RIP OFF BITCH go by when she worked at DVCOI? Has she always been call SEPTEMBER? Or did she change it when she started at Paradise? -->Sal,  She also used the same name at DV-COI going by Stephanie.  It's that skinny Pale Skin White Chick with Jacked-Up Yellow teeth that grabs the gameboy by her hand while she sits next to the PL.   She would always tell me she's the most naughtiest girl that works here, But I would always decline that Bitch that she would give me this Mad-Dog look once I rejected her.  

onlyVIPs said: the dancer at Bliss says both customers and strippers got pinched...   -->WoW, I was there DURING THE DAYSHIFT about a  Month ago at Bliss.   Man,  of all times to Busts a club why would they want to do it when ITS DEAD with barely any customers around.   

hunter16 said: Good point about the Tip. I had a girl by the name of September promising all this stuff and she asked for a tip right before my dance even started to do more. I did and she did not deliver, was all upsell. Ugly girl too but I just wanted a quickie and she looked like a freak. Sigh, fuck tipping beforehand.   -->She is a well known ROB.  Even on the old Zbone (version 1.0) I would read reports on her ripping off customers(both at DV-CoI & Paradise).   She 1st work at DV-COI but got FIRED from there and moved on to Paradise.   She's been there for 3 years and am surprised anyone would want to dance with her when they have so much better talent than her.

Jhh80 said:No excuse for poor dancer hygiene, I mean, they can just ask the house mom for some baby wipes if they were going to use the restroom. Heck, I'd use them all the time if I could! Working while they are "on" shouldn't be a problem either, most women know themselves well enough for handling that. -->Yes most Women do take care of themselves for the most part,  But I remember this one post SPAWN posted back in his heydays when he ran "Bob's Classy Ladies".    He posted about this one dancer coming to the stage and then removed her bottoms off.  It was a packed house of PL's and the entire tip row stage was Packed with guys who were laughing so hard at the dancer.  She couldn't understand what was going on as to why they were Laughing their asses off at her.   So once she finished her two song set and collected her tip $$$ and hit backstage one of the other dancers told her she had a little bit of  Toilet paper still stuck back in her behind.  Talked about embarassement and she yelled out the words "NOOOOOOO00000oooooo" as she felt  so fucken humilated afterwards

cutiebootietiff said: i know this is old thread/post but i was just browsing the forums out of boredom etc and OMFG i cant believe what i reading!! That is really gross....chics that don't freakin wipe themselves after pooing and just good clean hygiene what kind of lady doesn't wash and keep/stay clean??? omg if i were the PL and chic smelled yuck, i would not have gotten dance at allllllllllll   -->If you're a PL veteran and been in this game long enough I'm sure it's happen to most of us at some point.   The problem is when a dancer is on  the floor she has her bottoms on for the most part.   So you can't really smell her well,  so once you get a lap dance and if its NUDE well that is how to get the bad smell(if she doesn't wipe well enough) while she is NUDE, but if the bottoms stay on well grinding hard close to you also could do the tricked.   Trust me a lot of us have been fooled by some of these dancers.

cool cov said: This thread is kind of amusing.  Sax is right, some take this way too seriously.  I always thought of SC's as an adult Disneyland.  If you keep things light and happy you will very rarely get the blues or have issues.  Now a few dancers have had issues with each other and sometimes with some crazy guys that mistake this environment for "real life."  If I start to feel anxious that means the experience is no longer fun so I leave. I don't go into SC's looking for friendship or a relationship.  It's just for fun.  Sure, if you come to a place often you can be recognized and have a cordial liasion with folks but for the most part this world is a refuge from the everyday grind.  It should be drama-free.  Yes, there are exceptions to every situation, but on the whole, you can control your level of happiness.  And isn't that the point anyway?   -->Yes we can try to control our level of happiness, but some of these bitches TRY TO RUIN' IT in one way or another by giving a lame dance or asking for tips at the end of the dance.  I would say More times than not its not  always drama free especially if you roll to most of these clubs in the night shift.  If it isn't the DJ insulting the PLs over the Mic. its a dancer giving attitude for rejecting her for a dance  or the waitress pushing the drinks hard with bad attitudes if you don't accept it.  Then never being able to get with the dancers of our choice.     Clubs are interesting that way as it;s not always about being  entertained on stage as you'll see some sort of drama going on including fights going on between PL's but mainly dancers as it does have its moments outside of the stage, LOL

cutiebootietiff said: ya well said saxxxx! i laughed when u said "hold dancer hostage" that soooo funny!!!!~ and u are right...never seeen a baller yet; and i recently met this dude for first time at KO few weeks ago, and then he came to monarchs to see me (i guess he saw/sees my posts on zbone) anyways after he got ONE vip w/ me he demanding that i talk to him only and go out w/ him; or else i gonna lose him as a good custie!! i was like ahm ok buddy...if you dropped/spent let's say few G's on me or somethin then maybe i consider..but after only spending $150 or so??? ya wateves!!~   -->Yeah thats the same exact  thing with Sexi Lexi's main regular as some of these dudes can be obbessed.  Once DV-Ontario closed down she moved to both Bare N' Legal & DV-COI and he moved to both clubs too to see her.   I only see her every few months since both clubs are rather far drive for me,  But this guy would show up a few times a Month.    She apologized to me that one night last year at Ontario( i would go there a few times a Month the last few months before they closed down) as that guy DEMANDS she doesn't asked anyone for dances or talks to anyone other than him, You can even asked my good friend Pervert_MINE(he also knows that guy).   So  anyway when she apologized, I told her it was okay as I'm not the jealous type and theres plenty of other Pussy in the club.  She knows I would also dance with other girls like Julianna,India,Kelty, and wouldn't give me sh*t for it, but then you do have those other dancers that go ballistic(if you did them wrong) if they see you dancing with other girls and can also be quite obbessed with the PL, LOL

Triple J said:I agree with SAX, I would never go up to a dancer if she's with another customer or ask a waitress to go get her for me. FUCK THAT. Just get a dance with another girl. Or better yet save your money for next time and just enjoy the show watching the girls dance on stage. I have never been a regular myself. I like variety, I like dancing with different girls. To me is what strip clubs are all about. -->Triple J,  I am with you as I don't like to interupt if she's with someone else( I don't want to seen that Pathetic or desperate including asking a waitress to do my dirty work for me/Fuck that) and yeah it can be good so that way you can experiment with other dancers that you might find interest in to see what dirty deed she does in the back .   You do though have those special ATF's out there that JUST CAN'T DO NO WRONG no matter how many times you visit a club as I like variety like the next guy, But do have a few ATF's that I like being with.   Sometimes I don't even like posting about them on this board as to not draw attention and then have me wait in line for them do to me bringing them publicity on this site, LOL

Sax said: This thread blows my mind. All of the drama: "be a man" "ask a waitress" "what do I do?" -- holy crap, it reads like "Bad Night at My First High School Dance." Whatever happened to chillin' and having fun? When did going to a strip club get so damned serious? Y'all need to lighten up. If a girl you want is sitting with another guy, ASK ANOTHER GIRL. This isn't speed dating. It's a friggin' 2-minute dance. All these weird rules and posturing are damned ridiculous.Point 1: For all those saying, "Be a man": If you were a Man, you wouldn't be in a strip club in the first place. Strip clubs are for males with more money than game. A "baller" isn't the guy holding a dancer hostage and making it rain in a club. A REAL baller is the guy who gets the same action from "civilian" women for free.Paying to be a baller makes you automatically a non-baller. You are just a lame-ass wanna be. It's like buying a Lakers jersey and pretending you are Kobe.Point 2: Regulars are bad for business and the club owners need to put a lid on that shit. (And when I say "regular," I am not talking about the guys who come in and drop $1000s on many dancers, I am talking about the guy who comes in just to see one dancer, over and over and over.) Yes, any one regular can *appear* to be good for any one dancer. As several have pointed out, dancers make a good percentage of their income from a small number of regulars. However, this is failing Business 101: You want to diversify your income sources to reduce risk. Just like a stock portfolio, no regular should take more than 8-10% of your income... Less if you don't feel you can handle losing 8-10% of your income suddenly. Having a heavy regular is like putting all your money into one stock. Dumb.For the club, a lot of regulars can seem like a good thing, but it can be a double-edged sword. Regulars lock down your best money-makers, the girls with great personality who know how to entertain. The regulars hold them hostage, and prevent them from making the larger percentage of your customers happy repeaters. The customer comes into your club, and if all the good girls have regulars, your entire new customer base is exposed only to girls who don't have a clue. The new customer gets frustrated, approaches a girl with a regular, who reject him, and he doesn't come back to your club.The regular, if he ever falls out with the dancer (make that WHEN), is probably going to leave your club out of awkwardness. Regulars, again, are not ballers. They are sensitive wusses who have to pay for play. They get butt-hurt when the dancers don't treat them a certain way. Most regulars are probably "on the spectrum" - they don't know how to relate to women in the outside world, and they congratulate themselves that they have a "true friendship" with a hot, nympho-like stripper who "really likes" them and "gets them" in ways that other women don't.If I were an owner, I would make a rule that a dancer cannot sit with a customer for more than X minutes, and then they have to get up and circulate, and cannot sit with that customer again for Y more minutes. (Say 30 minutes/15 minutes.) An exception could be granted if the club were slow, or you could just lengthen X and shorten Y.I remember the days when dancers called the shots in the club, when dancers managed the regulars rather than the other way around. This new way sounds like the regulars are running the game, and everyone is losing: management caters to them, dancers fear losing them, and other customers defer to them. No good dancer (or club) should be afraid of losing a regular; they should have the confidence to know that every potential customer is the next regular. I guess this is what happens when you have too many clubs in a down economy.   sax "incredulous" beat   -->Well said Sax.  I can't tell you how many times,  I've been on the other side with new dancers who I wanted to dance with only to have a regular ruin' my night in not geting a chance with them.   I remember sexy Lexi(ontario hall of fame) apologizing to me the next time I roll in to her club last year on how this certain regular did 7 half hour VIP's and not all in a row they would come back downstairs to sit and chat/drink some sodas  for awhile and then go upstairs and do another half hour once again.  She told me he sees her as a date rather than a dancer. She said he hog her for about the whole entire 8 hour shift.   You do have some guys(regulars) that do go overboard, but I don't see regulars as bad business if they only take about a half hour to an hour of a dancers time especially if she's doing a 5 to 8 hour shift as it gives other guys a chance at her when she is freed up.  

lopaw said: I get guys approaching dancer's when they are sitting w/ me all the damn time, and it gets really old after awhile. In the beginning I used to go batshit on the guy, but now I let it fall onto the dancer, to see what she'll do and how she will handle it. I expect her to at least ask me if it's ok before she goes off to give someone else a dance, unless we've already danced and are just chatting at the table. The majority of the time they will make sure that it's OK with me first, but there have been a few times where they just left without saying anything, I guess assuming that I'll be sitting there waiting for them to come back. Needless to say if they do come back to my table afterwards I'll brush them off just as they did to me. It's cut throat out there and any dancer dumb enough to piss off a paying customer by doing something like that shouldn't be surprised at the outcome.   -->Lopaw, I don't blame you.  I would have done the same thing.  I have had that heppen before with dancers who after just sitting with me a bit (Not showing a bit of interest as I could tell they were BS'ing me) and once they see a new  much older White guy inside the club  assuming these certain guys are big ballers only after a few minutes of chatting with them try to come back to me(I'm sure they got rejected) (to kiss my ass) as the 2nd choice.  FUCK THat, I brushed them off and go with girls who at least treat me as equal to everyone else while I'm in the club.  I also didn't like when I was a lot younger how certain dancers would skip the younger dudes  in asking for a dance and just asked the older dudes or sit with them.  Once they saw how I was spending on the dancers that I did like,  There attitudes sure change with me,  But I still didn't give them any $$$ as I was already turned off with their snobby attitudes from the beginning.

cutiebootietiff said: anyways, so i had few regulars come see me in one night; i was sitting kickin it w/ one of my good regulars and after getting drinks headed to a table...soon as i sat down i saw my other regular he was like waving to me; i told my first guy to let me just say hi to him real quick and excused myself (he is very kind and isn't a jerkwad) and when i told my second regular hi! etc then he told me i should go back to my first guy since i already w him first and to do my thing first. Of course!! Sooo i go back to my first lovely and we chat lil more then offff to vip!~ then my 2nd lovely.....cont'd!!~   -->Its good to see your regulars are cool enough to allow you to do your thing.  It's a Nightmare for me sometimes when I have 2 regulars at the same club and both are battling for my attention & $$$ first.   Sometimes I might just be in for one of them & not the other, but the 2nd choice sits with me first thinking that she owns me or something just cause I've paid her  a lot in past visits.  Sometimes I will used an excused as I just got in and later so that way I can get to choice #1.  Its not like I dont like #2 but when I go clubbing I'm in different moods in the type of women I want to dance with.

cutiebootietiff said: LouASS said:It's their JOB to come to you, Not the other way around. Sure I have done it before a few times in asking , But not when she is talking to another customer at the time which most likely could be a regular of hers. Some dancers find this Rude as you are stoping them from making $$$ as regulars tend to be big ballers who have seen them on many occassions. Many of whom like starting off in the VIP room rather than starting off in some Lame $20 dance. She doesn't want to pissed off her regular than someone she has never seen before who probally most likely only wants 1 song as she hardly even knows the new PL or his spending habits. So of course if you interrupt her from her Reg. she will give you a LAME DANCE so that she can get back right away to her main guy with $$$ who often spends $$$ on her ASS. She doesn't want some other dancer cutting in on her action and stealing her REGular away from her. Also don't bother getting a waitress involved if she is sitting with another customer. She will see you as an even BIGGER PATHETIC LOSER for doing this rather than steping up to the plate & do it yourself. If she is free and not approaching you, Well then thats when I would suggest in getting a waitress involved to asked for you. Now as far as if someone did that Sh*t to me where he wanted a dance from a dancer sitting next to me I AM OK WITH IT!!!! But am not that OK, If it's one of my ATF's. I had this happen once where a guy came up to my ATF while she sat next to me, But rahter than her telling the Dud 'Yes' she asked me if it was OK if she could go? So she didn't pissed me off as she asked my permission first not as if she needed to. But since I had just arrived there I told her it was ok as I normally don't buy dances right away once I get in. Of course she gets back to me right away as I could see from the expression of the other customers face that he got a lame dance from her, LOL Peace Out!!!!   OMG that what happened to meee!!! i was sittin w my best reg., and this big bachelor party was across from us; and waitress straight out said to me "that guy wants u to go over to him" or some shit...blah blah so   -->cutiebootietiff,  I'm not surprised as I'm sure it happens to a lot of you in this business plus I'm sure the guy tip the waitress well $$$ to get her over to you.

have20s said: Is the Honey you talking about the same Honey that used to work at both VIP & Synn? Does she now work at Baygirls in Torrance?   -->Yes She's work at both synn & VIP,  But last I heard she was planning on moving out of State(but that was over a year ago).  I have no Idea which State, Maybe Spawn knows?

sal_acious said: LouASS said --> The Much Older door lady with the extreme HUGE Boobs  I don't think works there any longer Lou, are you SURE she's Not there anymore??? :( Did you ask around for her? I was gonna roll to the club, walk up to the window and hit her up for a Topless! I Don't Care! Door Lady or Not, I wanna get with her! Hey! If you don't ask - You don't get. Right? But I guess since she's no longer there anymore, there's no need to come back here again. -->Sal, I Didn't asked for her as I left right away.  I have no idea if she's even a dancer(look  past her prime) as she was working the door the night I saw her last year.  This was my 1st visit this year at the Gentlemen's club so maybe you might want to try checking the dayshift as more MILF types tend to dance rather than working the nightshift.   The door girl I met was a young cute girl but NO (*)(*) or ASS to speak of unfortunately :(

Spawn said: Sall Posted - Thanks Ram_Pie for posting that article from The LA Times. I'm sure there's a lot of people out there that don't know that the Owner of this Club is a CONVICTED First Degree MURDERER! Did you know that Freemason???     Just to set the record straight - Mike Woods CHILDREN SOLD the club to some dude from Phoenix Arizona also with his first name MIKE! Mike Woods kids sold both LAX and Valley Bare to this dude!  Now this dude from Phoenix lost interest and has SOLD 1 (Valley Bare Elegance) to Giovani (who was the manager at the time) 2) and the second LAX has been sold to GOOD OLD STUART of (Industrial Strip and ROUGE clubs)...  SO NO! Mr Mike Woods isn't making one stinking penny while in jail!!!   -->Spawn how is it that Mike Woods Children are able to sell both clubs without a fight in Court?  What about the Murdered victim business Owner partner?  Doesn't his Children also have rights(a Say?) to both of these clubs in selling and making a profit too?   Was there any Civil lawsuit to this case? I could only Imagine that the Murdered victims Family would come after Mike Woods in a Civil Lawsuit so that any profit Mike Woods or his Family earned from both sales of each club would go directly to the surviving Victims Family.  Wife,Children,Etc.

-->Hopefully one of you guys confirmed it that Eternity is working at Charlies as I've still yet to see this babes ASS in the flesh.  If one of you guys do happen to  see her please asked her on regards to what her schedule is.  Thanks.

-->Thanks for the heads up on anASStasia and was your visit during the day or was this at night Time?

-->After she left HT, She moved to DV-COI and work there for a short time. I think she either quit the business or moved on to Vegas.  Who knows maybe some Rich Sugar Daddy hooked up with her that she no longer needs to work in the strippin' business.

ivandrago said:Also how big were those titties? I read about your last years visit with the door lady. Were any of those 8 dancers have those kind of boobs? And was it saturday night? And hows the parking there? -->Yes it was a Saturday night & Parking is FREE.  I parked my car up front of the club.  The Much Older door lady with the extreme HUGE Boobs  I don't think works there any longer and NO, I didn't see anyone Huge ones like hers  considering she is on the voluptious to really  thick side. The 8 dancers I saw with large(fake) (*)(*) are on the thin fit side. There (*)(*) look a lot larger than what they are considering all those girls are thin with tiny waist lines unlike the Milf lady who I saw last year at the door.

ivandrago said:Where is this gentlemens club ? -->In Glendale.

ivandrago said:Any new updates on the hige fake boobs with small waist or just huge fake boobs? -->I counted  about 8 dancers Matching the Thin fit Small Waist with huge fake boobs over at the GentleMen's club a coupla weeks ago.  Sorry I didn't catch any of there names as I left in disgust with their snobby attitudes that they didn't bother to approached me for dances So I left within a half hour.  I saw them there on a Saturday.

freemason said: Lou...I think I might know how that it... ;-)   -->I'm sure you might know which one of the two it might be, BUTT lets keep this off the site,  Don't want any of the girls to get into serious trouble with Undercover LE reading these boards.

Stickyicky said:Is this club any body's favorite? It's to far for me to visit but it seems that the only info i get regarding this place is high prices, snobby mediocre looking dancers and rude management. Is this the only club Dan the Man Visits? Sounds like the South Bay Area is not the spot for me! -->Sticky,  RIO Gentlemen's club(although the overall dancer quality is not at a high level) is also is located in the South Bay and I know of 2 dancers that do offer FS for a half hour VIP which is at $200. One of those dancers DID NOT even hit me up for tip after I did the deed with her back in December. It's So Much Better    unlike at  the Jet-Strip where $350 for half hour mediocre dances is the norm at JS. This post was edited by LouASS at May 5, 2013 3:35 AM PDT

Ram_Pie said: Sal_acious/Louass - Do not worry. It is not you. Too much stress on Frkr.  I sent PM.    -->Okay just got back home and will now check my private messages.  I didn't want FrKr to leave this site or you   on bad terms with any of us so you know.

FrKr116 said: QUOTING FROM MY FORUM POST "A WASTED SATURDAY IN SGV:   "Next, they start talking about Bliss.  Yea, right, me and 2 geeks in tow.  OK boys, get in the car and let’s check out Bliss.  On the way, I tell them about the 6 ft tall 300 lb dancer named Star.  They say “What? Chai mai khrub?”  I reply “Chai”, it’s true.  One looks at me and says “What the fuck we go there for then?”     I'm sending you a PM.  There is no "Handle Change". PIE-RAM is my houseguest/roommate and has accompanied me on many SC adventures.  He also does SF Valley Clubs, which I don't do.  Thought that might add some depth to the conversation.  He took one for the team with Air China at Paradise and told me he PM'd you, with no reply.    I have never bullshitted you guys and am a little offended.  You guys could PM me.  Or, gone to Mr. ZBONE himself.  The damage is done, my friends.  I'm looking for the best pussy at the best price at a comfortable place with no drama, and you bring me drama and question my integrity.  Fuck that.  As Cog says "I know what I like...you're on your own".   -->Hey FrKr116,  I didn't mean any harm.  I was just joking.  I never did received any private message til today from you & your friend.  By the way I sent a reply, Please check your private message box.  Peace.

SSX2 said:Colombian women are a different breed. Theyre not as comfortable as Brasilian or Dominican gals. Many are about business. The same thing goes for blondes on Cityvibe or any club. How come blondes with no skills demand twice as much as Asians with all star fingers? Bullshit racism if you ask me. I love blondes but I'll never pay extra for blondes. I'll leave that to brothers with no game. -->i hear ya on Blondes.  Its how the Media portrays them here in the States.  A lot of the Media brain washes us Young Men growing up into thinking that is the high beauty standard of what looks best in our society. Playboy Magazines, Most Pornagraphic Movies,  Porn Magazines, and then you have mainstream Films like to brainwashed same goes for Women in what they think is the ideal Man to them.  This has been going on for decades to the Marilyn Monroe days. This post was edited by LouASS at May 3, 2013 2:07 AM PDT

SSX2 said:Colombian's have a 3-6 month visa to work in Panama. They are usually better looking, more savvy, and know what's up. Lots of Colombiana's have fake tits, fake ass, and lipo bellies. That being said, from my experience, they rock! Dominican chicks from Sosua more than match the mileage but usually aren't as hot. By the way, stay away from Punta Cana or non-Latin providers in Latin America. The Eastern European women charge WAY too much. If I want Czech pussy, I'd fly to Prague and hit that for way cheaper than the DR. I guess white Americans feel safer with a gal that looks like them. No hate, just my observation. -->I don't think White Americans feel safer with a gal that looks like them,  Just their Sexual Preference as to the reasons who they want to have sex with.   Many White American Men here don't Date Black Women(you rarely see that type of couple out in public), Unlike the other way around where IT'S VERY COMMON to see a White attractive Women with Black Husbands, Boyfriends, etc.   And they feel safe to have a Man who looks nothing like them. You do though have many American tourist that also visit places like the Philipines, Dominican Republic, Mexico, Thailand, to hooked up with Females outside of their own race and enjoy just as much as hooking up with an European White Gal.

SSX2 said:Colombian's have a 3-6 month visa to work in Panama. They are usually better looking, more savvy, and know what's up. Lots of Colombiana's have fake tits, fake ass, and lipo bellies. That being said, from my experience, they rock! Dominican chicks from Sosua more than match the mileage but usually aren't as hot. By the way, stay away from Punta Cana or non-Latin providers in Latin America. The Eastern European women charge WAY too much. If I want Czech pussy, I'd fly to Prague and hit that for way cheaper than the DR. I guess white Americans feel safer with a gal that looks like them. No hate, just my observation. -->Interesting.  By the way,  I just sent you a private Message.  I have encoutered a few Colombian Women here in the States that also had visa's for a short period of time.  One was Jennifer that dance off and on at SR-Industry for a few years.  She was definitely HOT and match the Colombian descriptions of having a flat belly, but HUGE Fake ASS.  She wasn't people friendly though from my experiences with her  but the mileage could be off the charts if you paid her well. but she would want way too much $$$ for it.   She didn't speak much English & kind of found her to be a bit stuck up & acted like  your basic American Women Gold-Diggers. Another Colombian Gal is Natalia that dances at STrip Joint-Pomona(she still works there).  She is Cute(not gorgeous like Jennifer) but she too had an amazing bubble Booty.  Claims its real, but I personally think its fake.  She though is a very friendly  cool gal. She once offered me FS/but no longer offers it. She is one of the rare acceptions of cool Colombian girls I've met. She only speaks Spanish(no English).  There have been others I've met like at Paradise Showgirls and in other public places outside of strip clubs.  But Most Colombian Women though seem like Rude Stuck up Bitches.  I don't want to generalized since I've never visited the Country(Only the ones who have moved on to the States), but most to me don't seem humble and friendly at all like at other Latin Countries.  I kinda feel like most of the Americanized Women that grew up here( it doesn't matter what race they are) think their sh*t don't stink.   They act like they are better than us and don't show the man much respect. It's no wonder this Country is so fucked up & #1 divorce rate especially with the feminists movement that screwed up many of our American Women in the brains.

SSX2 said:If you like Latin Women and have the time and money to travel, fly down to Panama City, Panama. The women at Le Palace look straight out of a Spanish Telenovela. Most are Colombian. They wear these sexy white get ups. Aye Yai Yai! The only downside is that it costs almost as much as States but you get hours to play, not 3-9 songs or such. They use US dollars too, which is a plus if you don't speak Spanish & aren't too savvy with conversion rates. -->SSX2,  Wouldn't most be Panamanian if the Country is in Panama?  I know the countries are right next to each other, But how do you know most are Colombian?  How can you tell the difference?  I'm not disagreeing with you as you've been there, but you don't think some could be lying?  By the way,  I'm going to send you a private message on regards to Panama City, Panama

Ram_Pie said: Last trip 2 weeks ago.  2 friends with me. Sit in the parking lot. 1 friend knows 6-0 tall 300 pound dancer.  Name is Star.  We say WTF.  Why are we here.  Leave and go to Synn.   -->FrKr116,  Did you switch handles?  WTF?   Yeah I know the 6'0"  300lbs. Big-Bohemoth  that goes by STAR in question.  I think she is trying out for the Oakland Raiders this upcoming season as a LineMen.   by the way she offers FS(Not that I would go there),  But she did offer it (EVERYTHING)  to my good ol' buddy Dr.Sal    If you go see her,  Make sure you take plenty o vitamins & in tip top shape(hit the gym),  Cuz if you don't,  she might Crush your in half  if you're not careful.  And then how you explained that to your DR. in the Emergency room?    

MtnDewPrime said: Honestly, I think I might be interested in checking out the Villa Theatre now :) ghetto girls and grammas, kinda freak and different. If only there was a place that regularly has midget dancers.   But I'm just kinda worried about my car getting broken into, with the shadier places.   -->Don't worry,  Villa Theatre is a GHOST TOWN so your Car should be safe.   

carlito said:Tall blonde girl with tats. Mid 30's. I last saw her at DVNH back in 2011. -->She was going through Cancer right before the 2nd time around she returned.  I think she might have quit the biz now since I haven't heard or seen her anywhere either by the time she quit DVNH.

-->Hollywood East in La Puente WAS FAR WORST in lookers than Villa Theatre.  Trust me I've been to both.  Once the Owner died his children sold it off and it became Bliss Showgirls which isn't so bad in what it used to be.  All the dancers there were over 40 years old when it was Hollywood East.  I dont think any club could beat it as far as WORST Looking Dancers overall is concerned.

-->By the way, I forgot to add I've seen many Escorts who advertise on Backpage, that they do offer quicky 15 minute specials for $40,  $60, to $80(depending on the girl).  Also half hour's from $80 are out there.  So don't assume that most require a 1 hour minimum payment as you can get some good deals out there.  Plus don't have to drive as far in order to get laid from a hot chick( or Chica :) ) This post was edited by LouASS at April 25, 2013 12:59 AM PDT

pokerboyAA said: Does anyone know where Ava from Imperial showgirls anaheim is now working?   -->Is this Ava Latina and have tattoos like in the middle of her chest?  I've seen an Ava that dances at DVNH.

Monga Akbar said: Lou,   You are obviously not familiar with the escort scene in Tijuas.   There are a number of reputable agency: Mexico Lindo Bar is near the top, plus Baja Dolls GFE, Cum in TJ, etc.   MLB is run by a cool ass gringo. Some chicas have an 8 hour special for $300 there (plus you pay hotel and taxi).   Have NEVER heard of a padrote robbing an escort monger down there.   So many people have talked shit about TJ but I have been there many times in the last couple of years. NEVER had any problem with policia, narcos, padrotes, etc. Only problema was with a couple of taxi drivers. But that could be anywhere.   Monga   -->Thanks for the Info Monga,  and yeah I'm not as wise about the TJ scene as you are.   Just for me to much of a hassle to drive so many miles down there & to drive back just to get laid.   The deals and prices are  a lot better as with the Money goes a long way back there just for about anything,  But you do have many here in L.A. that are not clock watchers that I do get way more than a Hour's time especially If I'm a regular.  If I was staying in TJ on vacation well then I guess it would be worth it, but not for me on a days visit.  to each their own.  

LakerFan03 said: Just go to Mexico for an escort because you can get caught up in the U.S   -->Not really if you do your homework right.  In Mexico yes the prices a lot cheaper, but you can get in deep Sh*t if you don't know your area surroundings & some of these young girls do have pimps that could possibly rob you at gun point.  Also its too much of a hassle to drive so many miles(away from home) just to get laid and then get back,  When you can have any type of gal here in U.S. with just a few miles of driving time. Just doing a background search takes care of everything you need here in the U.S.(thats if they have reviews by other Men who already seen them).

FrKr116 said: LouASS -Cherish at Synn is a curvy, tall, slim, attractive  black girl with awesome natural 38C’s.  They hang down a bit to the middle of her ribcage, but they are firm nonetheless.  She works Sunday dayshift (that’s when I saw her).  HIGHLY RECOMMENDED.   -->FrKr116,  Thanks So prolly not the same dancer that DV8s was looking for :(

FrKr116 said: The Escort thing is IME a roll-the-dice thing if you don't follow LouASS's wise advise, especially when it comes to Asian escorts.  Not that you're gonna get robbed at gunpoint, but the girl in the picture is not necessarily the one you actually get.  Hence, the TER Reviews are important.  You will also be screened.  Some of the hot Asian girls' "agents" on CitiVibe ask wayyyyy to many questions.  Most don't do texts or emails, so you go to voicemail and sit there waiting for a call back.  Do your homework, as LouASS advises.   -->Yes most escorts  do screen, but from my experiences some haven't or asked that many questions.   The reason they do this Ivan, is for her safety.  How do they know you're not an undercover on the other line.  Plus they don't go over graphic sexual details in what they provide over the phone, cuz again fearing you could be a undercover COP recording them to used  it against them as evidence in court.     Thats the beauty of TheEroticReview.com in that on each escorts profile page,  The reviewer will answer questions on whether the Photo is acurrate with a yes or NO, Plus I've seen many where some guys added (commented) on her Pic's were old as I know some escorts YES USED their own photos, but from 5-10 years before.     FrKr116 has it right some do a bait & switch pics by stealing other providers photos and claiming it as their own.  It happens in just about any state, So don't think its a California thing.  I also read reviews out of state and Scamming customers can happen anywhere. That is why I ALWAYS PLAY IT SAFE.  it's only $25 bucks, But well worth it and can cancel membership at anytime.

-->Ivan, There are hundreds of ads daily(it works the same way as craigslist).  So you're going to get all types  A LOT of GOOD,  Some Bad, & I wouldn't doubt some robberies(a rare thing,but could happen) along the way.  It works basically the same way like a strip club you just never know what you're going to get without some info. on the provider.  That is why Zbone is great when some provide info. on dancers on which ones they recommend and which to stay away from.     When it comes to escort sites such as backpage.com(Yes its a legit escort site)  I will do a background check on the dancers name along with her phone number on TheEroticReview.com.   Yes you do have to pay a Monthly Membership fee to access full information, but can cancel membership at anytime once you pay your first fee.  So once you become a member,    Right there the reviewer before he posts a  full review will answer all the other questions such as Was sex involved?  Where her photos accurate? anal sex involved,  kissing, real Women or TS, etc.      If I don't see any reviews on the escort in question I NEVER GO IN BLIND!!!  reasons for that is getting robbed by her pimp at gun point/ Undercover Cop/  could be a transexual instead of a real Women.  So I cover my basis (doing a background check 1st) before meeting Women on Backpage.  I look for at least 2 to 3 reviews minimum of the escort in question so I can get a good feel that I won't get a ROB if I visit her.  So yes I've met Women from backpage as well as eros-la.com and never been robbed.  So that is what I recommend you doing.     Also one last thing,  Just cause one guy has favorable review on an escort doesn't mean the mileage will  ALWAYS be the same with everyone.  Maybe the escort in question is into Hispanic Men, & not into White Duds & not recieve the same treatment.   Same way it works in strip clubs as YMMV depending how she feels toward the guy in question.

sal_acious said: LouASS said: sal_acious said:I wish I knew bruther, I wish I knew...... -->DaMN Sal,  If you knew this Big Booty girl from before,  Why didn't you give me the heads up(through private message) so I coulda have gone to see her.  Just my luck now she's moved on :( Now that I think about it, I DID TELL YOU ABOUT HER. That was about 3 years ago. I even asked you if you wanted to roll dirtbag style with me. And I even posted a TR on Z1.0. Butt you couldn't make it that night because you had a Hot Date! Anyway, here's that TR I posted if you wanna read it. http://archive.zbone.com/club/zrev/zrev_cabaret.htm -->Gee Sal,  I guess I'm catching BBWLover's Disease(A Senior Moment) as I had forgotten that you provided a report on this babe,

-->I've notice roll calls on a dancer going by that name  "Cherish" over at SYNN.  I wonder if that could be her?

sal_acious said:I wish I knew bruther, I wish I knew...... -->DaMN Sal,  If you knew this Big Booty girl from before,  Why didn't you give me the heads up(through private message) so I coulda have gone to see her.  Just my luck now she's moved on :(

knottyboi said: LouASS said: knottyboi said: Nadine is probably my all time fav. Physically she was not my type but after about 2 minutes talking with her i took her to the VIP. When i met her she had just come to DVNH from the Inland Empire somewhere and was not getting any dances in NH. I could not believe it but word got around quick. I rarely watch stage shows, but i came into the club when she was on stage so i sat down at the rail. She was totally naked and had that big smile on her face, the next thing i know she is just masturbating like crazy up there, friggin her clit and then shoving her fingers into her wet pussy and laughing as they made that tell tale sound. A true exhibitionist with a fun sense of humor. a dream girl.   -->Is this the blonde petite dancer Nadine from DV-COI?  I believe she was one of Doc Robbie's ATF's from that place. If its the same dancer, I had no idea she moved to DVNH.   I don't know Doc Robbie. I do know she had been living in the IE and i think she was working Rialto or Redlands. She might have worked COI, at sometime but all i know is she had broken up with one boyfriend ,was living out in the IE and was making some long ass commutes because she wasn't selling any dances.She was a very thin Blonde, cute smile & face, quite a few tats. One of her best friends was either Iris or Ivy, i always got those two mixed up. Whichever one was deep into bondage:) She was quite a character. A real sweetheart and really funny too. One day we were talking and dancing and the subject of home made porn came up. She just blurted out " I love making secret movies, my boyfriend got pissed when he found out i was taping but mainly because he thought he looked fat on camera." She was really a free spirit and somewhere there is a very lucky guy/gal or both. I remember she told me about an ex who didn't trust her and it really pissed her off. She said something like, if i wanted to, i could fuck all day at work. But i always come home to you. You've got a great thing and don't appreciate it. If i feel like fucking there is nothing you can do about it anyway, so you better get used to it:) One other time we were fooling around and i put my cock between her tits and starting grinding russian style. She starts yanking on her nipples to bring her little boobies together and then says "I can't do it, there's nothing there" and we both start laughing so hard management came by and told us to shut the fuck up. good times.   -->Yeah, that sounds like the same dancer I remember from DV-COI.  Thanks for sharing that

-->Ron,  Eygpt and this guy who fatally shot himself had a history together going back to January this year.  So he was a regular of the club & most likely her regular customer.  I personally don't think he shot her at close range(while sitting on his lap), cuz if he did she would have died instantly from the gun shot.  I think when she saw him pull the gun out by not allowing his sexual advances  she ran out of there for her life and he prolly shot her  while she was running fast away from him.  I think they spotted Egypt close to the hallway as you enter back into the floor,  While the guy shot himself inside the VIP room.   Marilyn has also posted she knows this Man,  As he would come often to the club and he also gave her the creeps. Real creepy guy, from what she posted.

knottyboi said: Nadine is probably my all time fav. Physically she was not my type but after about 2 minutes talking with her i took her to the VIP. When i met her she had just come to DVNH from the Inland Empire somewhere and was not getting any dances in NH. I could not believe it but word got around quick. I rarely watch stage shows, but i came into the club when she was on stage so i sat down at the rail. She was totally naked and had that big smile on her face, the next thing i know she is just masturbating like crazy up there, friggin her clit and then shoving her fingers into her wet pussy and laughing as they made that tell tale sound. A true exhibitionist with a fun sense of humor. a dream girl.   -->Is this the blonde petite dancer Nadine from DV-COI?  I believe she was one of Doc Robbie's ATF's from that place. If its the same dancer, I had no idea she moved to DVNH.

lopaw said: I definitely see both sides to this. You don't want to waste time and money by nickel & diming test drives only to find that by the time you've decided you're now out of money, but going in w/o a test drive is risky. Like knottyboi I've been going on gut feelings and just going for the VIP room w/o a test drive, and so far it's worked out fairly well. Since I'm a rather unique type of customer, if a girl is all over me out on the main floor it's a solid bet that she will continue once we get in the lapdance area, and I have yet to be disappointed. One of my general rules in clubs is that if a dancer catches my eye and I see her snoogling up to all the guys in the club but she stands a foot away while asking me to dance, I'll always say no. If she's too inhibited or shy to treat me the same as all of the other PL's in the room then there's no way I'll take her for even one dance.   -->Lopaw, I don't see it as a waste of time or Money if it's a test drive when its some dancer you have no Info. on.  It's better to be out $20 than a VIP Dance Price. No way I go by Gut Feelings anymore by taking them straight to the VIP Room.  I've been burn like that before(same for a few freinds of mine who told me the same)  as a lot of ROB's really know how to put up a front out on the floor to convince you to a dance.   If I do dance with one,  I'll take my chances in the $10 or $20 area 1st(Yyou just never know she could do an air dance in the vip room). So  If she Rips me off there(on a test drive) then hey I'm out $20 bucks, But at least it ain't $100, $150 or $200+(at some other Places) cuz If I did that type of $$$ then I have only myself to blame & would be pissed off about it compared to a measley $20 bucks.    I will know more or less on a $20 2 for 1 whether I will upgrade from there or not.   Of course I don't expect their best action in a $20 dance, but will know from there and be VERY CONFIDENT if I upgrade  in heading into the VIP Room the chances are VERY SLIM that I won't get rip-off in the vip room.

tommy8ofive said:I was very surprised , When I saw holly there today I recognized her. She used to dance under the name "lucky" @ VIP awhile back ago... She's a very pretty white girl What Blonde hair with a Smoking hot body , Quite a few tattoos can't miss her.. Well worth the money$$$ -->If it's the same "Lucky" I remember  from back in the day at  VIP Showgirls well then she's actually a regular dancer at DV-COI.  And actually in case you weren't aware she's MEXICAN(Yeah I know, hard to believe by looking at her) just asked her and  also speaks Espanol quite well too I might add.

knottyboi said:Not really a rejection story just an observation here. Reading about the girls who refuse to do "cheap" dances. I learned a long time ago, it was more cost effective to do a VIP than getting a couple dances here and there. So when i roll, i just pick out a girl and do a VIP. Most of the time it is my first meeting with them, They ask if i want a dance and i say "how about we do a half hour?" Most of the time they look shocked, like what the fuck is wrong with THIS guy. But then the session ends up pretty great. So what is funny to me is, these girls act like they expect you to buy half hour up front, but if you actually do? Well you can tell by their expression it doesn't happen. That means most of these girls are actually rejecting their real customers, either by ignoring them or being downright rude. Sometimes it is really fun to go into a club and picking out a girl when all the others are texting their asses off. Knowing after we are done her friends are gonna ask "where did you go?" and she will say "that guy that nobody asked, asked me for an hour and a half!" -->KB, No offense to you,  But not knowing what to expect out of a dancer's Dance and taking the Strippa straight into the VIP room is risky cuz you can get stuck(with a bad or LAME dancer who doesn't do sh*t) with still having to pay the VIP Price of $150, $200, or even $300 price at some places.  Now if you know the dancer(have seen & dance with her before) and have had good chemistry I understand doing a VIP right from the start,  But I usually recommend guys who asked on regards to a dancers Mileage TO ALWAYS TEST-DRIVE the dancer in a $10 or $20 dance and maybe do another dance and if it's good than upgrade(go to the VIP) from there if you like. That is what I always do just like Test-Driving a Car.  I will test drive Cars just to get a good feel before making up my mind whether it's worth buying  the (full Price or not).