Tropical Lei Submitted Reviews The following submitted reader reviews are opinions expressed by the reader, and do not necessarily reflect the opinions of this website or Z Bone. Furthermore, Z Bone reserves the right to redact or delete any submitted reviews at any time. [Submit Review] [All Club Detail] Date: 3/16/2010 10:18pm Name: dreamclubber (89) Subject: Replies: Ch4life, Theghoster, StupidKevin Ch4life: Thanks for sharing. Its hard watching people self-destruct like that and not able to do anything to stop it. If you REALLY want to help, send her money anonymously just saying a former customer who appreciates the joy you gave me. Theghoster: Tall blondes are Holly (dayshift), Ruby (night, but warning- she is ROB Houston’s lesbo roommate so unconfirmed ROB alert), Brooke (multiple ROB alerts). Go with Holly. April is a short stocky blonde who has been at TL for 3+ years and seems like one of the top earners. Some of dancer gossip is that she has a mean temper and has been known to HAZE new girls (sorta like Champagne) but this may be “jante” from jealous dancers (Aubrey..I mean Stupid Kevin, Im using your word). Also, she was friends with ROB Houston so that makes me suspicious. Don’t know why she would be mad if she is a top earner but she most likely doesn’t take it out on men. StupidKevin: Jante sounds a lot like the concept of “player hater” or “playa hata” in Ebonics. A player hater is a person who spends time and energy resenting “players” for their success rather than figure out how to find their OWN success. Player originally referred to someone good at sports, most likely starting with basketball and the trash talking that goes on. It became popularized with use in hip hop music where a player evolved to mean men successful with the ladies and haters are losers who rather bring that guy down than figuring a way for themselves to be successful with ladies. The term reached the mainstream where player means any successful person and the abbreviated term “hater” is anyone who is resentful. I always find the term “haters” useful when referring to people that should find their own happiness instead of trying to make everyone around them as miserable as they are just because they made bad decisions. I sometimes feel like I’m surrounded by haters. See, we’re sharing. Maybe we should VIP together soon ;) For everyone: Apologies to anyone if I stated anything incorrectly. Please correct me on this board. ROB list: Ashley, Houston, Brooke, Sinn. Club Dancers Attitude Nasty Factor Date: 3/16/2010 3:23am Name: Brbonz (173) Subject: Jasmine Dr_B, that makes sense. Thanks for the info. We'll look for Angel. That's confusing that the club allows both Jasmine's to be around at the same time. I knew she was in on Friday and then heard she was there on Saturday too but must have been the other non-black Jasmine. Date: 3/15/2010 11:56pm Name: Dr_B (23) Subject: Jasmine The one I saw on Sat was a small Latina, with shoulder length dark hair, small natural tits, cute girl. Said she had worked at TL before. I just thought she was a dancer will a bad attitude. A buddy saw the thin black Jasmine on Friday night. A dancer on Saturday night told me she was back and changed her name to Angel. Also the doorman said she worked Friday but didn't mention the name change. That's the best I can do. My guess is attendance will be limited to bill payment due time, car payment, rent and cell phone. She has a boyfriend now so she probably trying to go legit. Date: 3/15/2010 11:20pm Name: Brbonz (172) Subject: Jasmine Can someone confirm that jasmine is now changed her name to Angel. That's the thin black Jasmine. And that there is another Jasmine there. If so, can someone give a description. Date: 3/15/2010 7:09pm Name: cfh4life (2) Subject: Responding to dreamclubber's curiousity on Shawnee! Dreamclubber, the more info. I can give you about Shawnee and her unfortunate issues is this. No, she was never a ROB when I was with her whether it was at HT or TL. The former manager who knocked her up immediately quit TL after she found out he cheated on her with another dancer who he also knocked up as well. And from what I heard about him was that he was short, fat, and looked like a complete nerd. The way I see it, he probably had very low self-esteem and after Shawnee boosted that up for him, he decided to "kick her to the curb". As far as her rudeness goes, that was because of that dude betraying her(Hey, "Love hurts", sometimes) and her abusing drugs. How I can describe Shawnee to you is that she was about 5'4,blonde, cute/gorgeous face, White, nice(fake) rack, and a hot body. Because of the drug abusing, her face started to look a little wrinkled the last few times I saw her, especially the last time I saw her which was 7/7/07. One last thing, in order to find out about my description of Shawnee, just go to the main TL website, she's the 3rd girl on the left hand side and she's wearing a sexy black night gown. I hope this info. I gave you about Shawnee was helpful. Club Dancers Attitude Nasty Factor Date: 3/15/2010 1:34pm Name: theghoster (New) Subject: April its been a few years since I've been there. looking to go back, LOVE the insight. Few posts back now, someone mentioned April, she a tall blond? about 6'2 with those heels? She'd have to be a top contender for ATF. Date: 3/15/2010 8:27am Name: Dr_B (22) Subject: Misc Went to the club on Saturday, really didn't look that hard for Brooke, too many other beautiful ladies. Had the misfortune of doing a lap with the new Jasmine, cute looking Latina. What a bad attitude she has, I didn't want to go VIP with her so she calls me a PL for paying to look at naked girls, very nice customer skills (I'm being sarcastic). Later noticed that she doesn't get very many dances. Time to weed these ladies out, if you don’t like what you do, don’t do it. Had a great couple of laps with Champagne, again didn't do VIP because it sound very LM and very expensive for what you got. But if you only do laps, Champagne was great. Good news for those that like the thin tall black Jasmine, apparently she is back dancing under a new name, Angel. That didn't take long for her to get back in the business, just like I called. Date: 3/15/2010 2:24am Name: dreamclubber (88) Subject: Replies: Dr B, Cupid Psyche, Aubrey Dr B: You’re welcome. I was curious to find out if Brooke is a reformed ROB. I believe in redemption. if you like tall blondes, look up Holly who works dayshift. Call the club 909-931-0360 and ask if she is working. She’s a sweetheart. Don’t give up on TL. CupidPysche: Thanks for the insightful post. That’s the beauty of TL – the variety. Dayshift is different than nightshift. For the night crowd who have never been: A lot slower (gaps between stage shows), less pressure from dancers (which may seem like they are ignoring you compared to night), smaller older customer crowd since most don’t stick around and go straight to the VIP for the most part, smaller selection of dancers but less likely to be ROBs IMO. Most guys cant make it due to work but worth a day off to get a taste. Aubrey, I mean StupidKevin: I actually liked your Jante post. Did you delete yourself or did the zbone moderator delete it. Kind of intellectual for a sc board but VERY relevant to sad state of affairs. Since bad service is expected at many sc, new dancers who see this behavior start providing bad service. TL historically has been different because of its high customer service that let new dancers who fit right in make LOADS of money from their grateful admirers, while LM dancers who decide it was not for them HAPPILY quit to work at one of the over 100 low mileage sc in the region. There were also desperate dancers who ROBed but these were short-term since their tactics usually caught up with them. The LM and ROBs would resent the HONEST dancers but they didn’t stick around long enough to cause problems. The problem I have been railing about is that the LM and ROBs did not quit (some have been here for YEARS!). It’s logical that new dancer would see a ROB like Ashley was the highest earner and then copy her ROB tactics to try to earn as much money as her. It has been a disaster for the club in the long term as customers NEVER COME BACK after being ripped off!! Then you have the tip mafia dancers who TRIED to charge ridiculous fees and are jealous of NMT dancers because the NMT figured out a way to get more dances. Thanks Aubrey for pointing out a different angle on this: The Jante dancers (ROBs, LM, and tip mafia) are ruining the club as a whole by bringing down the HONEST dancers with their bad vibes and harassment. Could this explain why we see dancers leave: Kacey, Roxy, Jazmine, Daylene? They couldn’t put up with the harassment from these losers , who BTW, are STILL employed at this club. Could it be that the Jante dancers outnumber the HONEST dancers to the point that ANY new dancer will be ruined and will not be allowed to succeed (They tried to ruin Roxy, but she survived as long as she could). Oh God, how the hell can this be fixed!!! Am I alone out there who thinks this is a problem? Is everyone ready to give up on TL? Please correct me if I got any of this wrong? Date: 3/15/2010 12:05am Name: dreamclubber (87) Subject: cfh4life Thansk for the reply. OMG. Where to begin. For starters, I hope Shawnee is doing okay and that goes for all dancers with life after TL (yes, even Ashley). If that manager knocked her up, she should be getting child support from him to help her. I think we customers all have someone we remember and sad to say, it’s not always the ones that are most deserving to remember. Still, I am glad I had the experience and ABLE to remember (note to you black-out alcoholics out there). We need good experiences to block out the bad ones. That’s why we love TL and get so mad when a ROB cheat us. IT’S NOT THE F CKEN MONEY!!!!! You are cheating us of a good experience and with it, good memories, and placing BAD memories. Thanks, ROBs. As far as the thrill being gone, this happens to a lot of us in real life or worse, you get great VIPs and she all of sudden quits and you never get to that “thrill is gone period”. If I may offer my two cents, the best way is not to FORGET (why would anyone want to forget good experiences) but to RE-LIVE by finding someone who shares her best qualities and doesn’t have her bad ones. What did Shawnee look like? Does anyone at TL look like her AND, dear God, is not a ROB? (Im not at all religious BTW, I just do that for emphasis) On another note, OMG! She got knocked up by a MANAGER! Who still worked at the club while she was doing VIPs. Did he work at HT or TL? Is he still working there? Talk about workplace drama. Did he interfere with your VIPs – the “curtain opening during the VIP” urban legend? Maybe that’s why she was rude? Maybe that’s why the thrill was gone? He was jealous of your dances with her and he was harassing her over it which caused her to be rude?, or She thought she could get away with rudeness while she was f king the manager? There are so many angles on this. I would NORMALLY file this under the “Id rather not know” category except that it may be further explanation why service at TL has gotten so bad. Some lazy ass dancers want to f ck the manager so that they can get away with ROBing customers. Wow! That is so sad! Id like to think that managers are PROFESSIONALS who are looking for the best interest of the club and would not allow who they are f cking to RUIN the club by committing ROB activity. Am I wrong to believe this? Could this explain why Ashley was allowed to keep ROBing people? She simply provided service to those that would allow her to keep ROBing people. I mean most ROBs can only survive a few months until sh t catches up with them, but Ashley stayed on for over 2 years after exposed. Wow! This is a lot to process. Thanks for giving us all something to think about - although I may be better off not thinking about it. Date: 3/14/2010 9:32pm Name: cfh4life (1) Subject: What I know about Shawnee's departure! To answer dreamclubber's question about Shawnee's departure from TL. What I know about what happened to Shawnee(and this is from word of mouth) is that around 2006 after she returned to TL after the birth of her second child, her baby's father who was one of the manager's at the club at that time, cheated on her and she went through a hard time until the summer of 2007. During that time period, I would hear that she was being rude to customers and staff(dancers,management,waitresses,etc.)and she started abusing drugs(crack). I know that she was asked to leave the club in early 2007 because of those issues but she came back for a while until that summer. On labor day weekend '07, I found out that she was officially fired because of her poor attitude and issues. The last I heard about Shawnee was that she worked a couple nights at SR Rialto sometime in 2008 (and this was from a former TL dancer at SR Rialto) and then she officially retired and is now living on welfare.Sad but True. I will admit to this, but I had a "mad" crush on Shawnee. And that dated back to when I first met her at HT back in 2003/2004. Shawnee was my main reason for going to TL at the beginning and every time we were together it was worth it except for the last two times(May '06 & '07). The thrill was gone with her. And I think about her just about every day. Date: 3/14/2010 8:02pm Name: cupidpsyche (2) Subject: Don't give up on TL just yet I'm in agreement with the last post. I too had not returned to TL for quite sometime due to the lack of good looking ladies, bad attitude, overpriced privates, and poor quality service. Previous to that I had been going for well over 10 years. That being said, I've recently returned during the day shift more out of curiosity than anything else. My assessment?... it's actually improving. There are some new ladies there now that are making my return trips all the more worth it. Kylie and Serenity alone are DROP DEAD GORGEOUS. Aurora is a sweetheart. And then there's Brandy. OMG... that girl had me quivering. I didn't expect my return to be as good as it has these past 2 months. No it's not the return of the old TL, with bargain prices and such, however it's certainly more reasonable than it has been in the last 3 years for great milage. Maybe it's the economy, maybe not but I'm certainly going to enjoy it while it lasts. Don't give up on it just yet, TL may just bounce back. Can't wait for some more Brandy! Club Dancers Attitude Nasty Factor Date: 3/14/2010 7:24pm Name: dreamclubber (86) Subject: cfh4life Wow sounds lik eyou had lot of fun. We all do not know what events led to the departure of Shawnee. Please tell us. Let's not give up on TL just yet. It has bounced back before and Im sure it will again. Date: 3/14/2010 5:54pm Name: Stupid_kevin (56) Subject: Aubrey's schedule Please post Aubrey's schedule Date: 3/14/2010 5:24pm Name: cfh4life (New) Subject: Fan of TL since '05, but now have mixed feelings! I first started going to TL in February,2005. And I had good times pretty much every time I went since that time. But since January 9th of this year, I'm starting to have mixed feelings about the club now. The reasons for these mixed feelings are as follows. The 3 dancers that were my "ATF" dancers at TL are pretty much gone. Those "big 3" were Shawnee,Michaela/McKaylah(I'm not sure how she spelled her name) and Ashton. We all know about the sad, unfortunate events that led to Shawnee's departure. Michaela/McKaylah supposedly took a "long break" and from what I've heard, no one knows if she's retired or not. I know Ashton is still at TL, but the few times I've been there, she wasn't working those times. Besides these 3, the other dancers I got together with at TL were as follows: Felony, Cynthia,Natalie,Amber,Aurora,Gina,Nichole, Sandy,Sapphire,Summer,Callie, and Roxy. I had fun with each of those girls. The only girl I regret getting together with was Daylene. The three I regret not getting together with were April,Brodie, and Cinnamon. The last time I was there(Jan.9), the club was dead and I heard about what happened to Callie which I got together with this past September and may she rest in peace. Since the recession has affected this country's economy, I've had to be tight with money. I may return to the club soon but if I don't, all I can say is that it was fun while it lasted but all good things must come to an end. Club Dancers Attitude Nasty Factor Date: 3/13/2010 8:16pm Name: Dr_B (21) Subject: Brooke. Don't do it Dreamclubber, I knew I could count on you. That's what I thought, just needed confirmation. Thanks Bro. Date: 3/13/2010 5:53pm Name: dreamclubber (85) Subject: Dr. B: Brooke, Don't Do It Brooke has the same approximate body type as Stupid Kevin, I mean Aubrey. She is over 6 feet, thin as a rail, and blonde. Similar to Dayshift Holly. Aubrey was blonde when she started work as Paris. While Aubrey's face looks like that of a beautiful woman, Brooke's looks like a innocent teen. I love all the ladies, all types and ages, but I can’t stand clueless young girls, no matter how pretty, who play the whole “I’m innocent, you pervert” angle to ROB you. Jeez. Oh, they call them ADULT clubs for a reason. Little girls do not belong in ADULT clubs. We are perverts, not child m ol esters. I wish they would go back to high school and come back when they grow up. I know there are guys out there screaming “Shut the f up”, we like them young. Ok fine, you like them young, but what good are they if they are ROBs and place the club in jeopardy. I know management likes the young girls as eye candy for the stage shows to provide variety and balance out the older women, but are they checking IDs so as to not to get caught stupidly (reminds me of Al Capone going to jail for tax evasion instead of all the other crap he did). I know the older dancers like them (including some of lesbians who prey on them) on the misconception that the older will get more dances by telling customers “don’t even think about , they are in training, stick with the older women” as Priscilla (remember her) told me once. This has been disastrous for the club when guys realize that some dancers are offlimits due to ridiculous fees (false advertising turns off some guys completely) and even when trying one, getting lame dancers who act like “even though I ASKED you for a dance and I TOLD you I would do X for Y, I am going to act for the next three songs as if I am completely innocent and act like you are forcing me to do this”. Sick! If you are that innocent , don’t offer what you can’t deliver. Yes, it’s that simple! Jeez! Don’t misunderstand. Most younger girls, especially those that have been there a while, are mature on the inside ( I mean come on, these ARE women who have lived life outside the club) while being young in the outside. Look at Roxy. Why do you think there is so much dialogue dismayed about her departure. Roxy was young & sweet AND hot at the same time. I hope she made a fortune and pursues her dreams. I still haven't read exactly why she left. Is she at another club. PLease don't say she got promoted to HT. My advice: Talk to Brooke, tell her that you read she was a ROB, and do NOT VIP with her. Send a message that you can see lame Brookes at any other club and don’t need to come to TL. If you do decide that you want to take one for the team: For the love of God, do not pay upfront. If she ROBs you, let us know. If you are brave, walk out of the VIP when she ROBs you and tell management that she DID NOT dance for you. Let’s stop rewarding ROBs. Club Dancers Attitude Nasty Factor Date: 3/13/2010 3:47pm Name: Dr_B (20) Subject: Brooke Coming in tonight, someone help me out and let me know what Brooke looks like. I thought I have seen different review of her, both good and bad. I'll also be a member of the Roxy fan club, that girl was a sweetheart and as fine as they get. Date: 3/13/2010 2:15pm Name: Stupid_kevin (55) Subject: To the President of the Roxy Fan Club To the President of the Roxy Fan Club: The president of the Roxy fan club rushes to her defense! Sorry, dude, no offense intended to you or Roxy. I like Roxy very much but she is out of business, so I think you should go with Brooke. I also hope the girls are nicer to each other, and not jealous if one does well, so they all can be friends. That is the point of the law of Jante, nothing else. Date: 3/9/2010 10:11pm Name: Mr_Ace (14) Subject: Re: Mercedes (plurker4fun) Well she seemed pretty damn high when I saw her, and she was just average with the vip. It was standard and no upselling whatsoever. It was good, but theres way better in my opinion. But i say give her a shot. everyones preference is different and maybe just caught her on a weird day. Date: 3/9/2010 7:14pm Name: Dr_B (19) Subject: Aubrey Are you working this Saturday? If not who would you recommend? My ATF work days or have been missing in action, Roxy and Jasmin? Where did they go? Date: 3/9/2010 3:46pm Name: paris_TL (47) Subject: Aubrey schedule Tonight(Tuesday)8-close and wendsday night 7-1 Date: 3/8/2010 8:29pm Name: Brbonz (166) Subject: Roxy Anyone know of Roxy's whereabouts? I don't think that she's been around for weeks? Any info would be cool.