4 Play Submitted Reviews The following submitted reader reviews are opinions expressed by the reader, and do not necessarily reflect the opinions of this website or Z Bone. Furthermore, Z Bone reserves the right to redact or delete any submitted reviews at any time. [Submit Review] [All Club Detail] Date: 3/10/2010 7:14pm Name: Playerhater (2) Subject: You are dumb Hey, to the post below me, are you illiterate? First of all, get over labeling girls "hoes." Every girl is a "hoe" one way or another. And believe me, we all like it. Date: 3/7/2010 5:30pm Name: bruno (107) Subject: How to tell if she's a hoe Now first let's talk facts! every guy will run into a hoe once in awhile and most times it's planned and its fun. But most guys have a hard time telling which girls are hoes, and which ones are not. I will help you poor sorry assholes. In hopes that you will not be tricked by these hoe-tactics. LOCATION LOCATION LOCATION. Now this would be an easy one or some it seems, but despite what T-pain says, Don't fall in love with a stripper. I can promise you will meet a hoe at a Strip club! I'd bet my life on it. I'm just saying all the reasons for me to say that are there. LOL and If looks like a hoe, takes it's clothes off like a hoe, it probably is a hoe, OR a drunk college girl. Location 2 and the one you most likely will meet a hoe. is a CLUB yes a fucking sweaty, club, yeah she likes you know because she didn't bring money, but the "mouth sex:" she give you in the car afterwards is simply a thank you for all the free drinks. Not a invite for a date. But guys, and girls who like girls, don't go to these places screaming (YOU A HOE) to every girl because. Not only is it location we have to look at how a girl dress. Now I know I'm going to catch SO much shit for saying this. But Um I can care two fucks less, and you hoes are so fucked up in the head you'll fuck me still. But I'm not saying if she is dress this way she is a hoe. I'm just saying if she is dressed this way 9.5 times out of 10 she's a hoe. http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_sife7Fse4wE/SE... http://www.insidesocal.com/usc/LAUREN.CO... this hoe is tacky! Now they can say "we are just being sexy" But really they are being hoes. it's pretty much a sure fire way for you to judge "hey is this girl going to give me VD?" Girls being dorks and you see here these girls are not dressed like hoes BUT they are partaking in what is commonly know as "Hoe activity" What are hoe activities you ask? "Well hoe activity is any thing that a common hoe would do" some random black guy I asked, lets assume he's a rapper. * pole dancing * bar top dancing * making out with many girls who are not her friend * Using the power of her Titties for evil So those are the short list of the hoe actives No here are some sure signs the girl you may like is a hoe * she is okay with fucking you, but when you try to date her she freaks out( she's fucking other dudes). * if she gets in to everything for free. Like everything. * She knows dudes, but doesn't know how she knows them. * she kisses you and her mouth taste salty*from all the semen* * when she does pay for shit it's in ones. * you ask her for bathroom sex, she replies "hurry up" * She wont let you kiss her on the mouth. * She says anal is for the man she marries. * If dudes owe her favors but she never says why. * she has different ways to give a blow job. * You met her at a colle Date: 3/2/2010 4:48pm Name: HPL_Lovecraft (9) Subject: KeithWilliams---Bizarroshill I checked the board for the first time in weeks and noted the negative posting from from newbie KeithWilliams, posted at 6:36 PM on 2/27/10. While navigating thru some other boards in my geographical catchment area I found that the same KeithWilliams had posted a negative comment re Plan B, the sister club of 4Play, a mere 11 minutes later. Altho KeithWilliams may be the one of the unluckiest clubbers in West LA (granting that Plan B has received far more unfavorable postings, legitimate or otherwise, than 4Play), it strikes me as an example of what Shakespeare most eloquently expressed as "the lady doth protest too much, methinks". Some posters assume that any positive reviews of certain clubs must come from employees or others incapable of providing independent comment, and label such posters as shills. I am not sure what the opposite of shill is, but I will use the term Bizarroshill until a better term arises. KeithWilliams may be a disgruntled current or former employee, or the latest incarnation of other negative posters, or just extremely unlucky. Giving KeithWilliams and other posters with astonishingly similar negative experiences (eerily reminiscent of all those who claim to have been abducted by space aliens), the benefit of the doubt, perhaps the kindest, most humane approach would be to set up a Big Brother program. Those of us whose who have had favorable experiences at this club could agree to partner with those claiming to have had negative experiences, and thereby provide positive role models and, when necessary, constructive criticism. Behavioral modification gurus such as Tony Robbins suggest that the best way to become successful is to observe those who are already successful and then modify one's unsuccessful behavior accordingly. At best, the previously unsuccessful PL may learn something. Conversely, if the unsuccessful PL has indeed been the victim of unprofessional conduct by dancers and/or staff, then there will be unbiased confirmation of the event. Date: 2/28/2010 2:33am Name: jintsyboy (84) Subject: keith One quick correction...it's 3 for $75, not $100. As for tame dances...well...be an educated consumer and read the boards here. If you were looking for an HJ or more, then yes, you went to the wrong place. If you were looking to touch at all and you danced with the wrong girl...well, then, yes, that would suck, too. Both of these problems could have been avoided by simply reading this board before you went in and choosing a more "open" environment at Body Shop, or SRNH, or anyplace in COI. You go there. I'll stay here. Longer songs, cooler girls, MUCH better looking girls, and if you treat them with respect and believe in personal hygiene, the grinds are pretty fucking good to pretty fucking great. Date: 2/27/2010 11:11pm Name: Cletus (18) Subject: Previous Post Keith - you had bad luck at 4 Play. Been there twice in the last year. Both times were good visits. The dancers and waitresses were consistently upbeat and professional. I agree with you about one thing. Lap dances in the single song area (the booths with the red lights) are kinda tame. The solution to that problem (for me) was to go to the 3 for $100 room. Had a very good time in there - as good as I get or want at any other club. On my visits, the songs were all 3 minutes long. I give 4-Play a big thumbs up for that. Also the food and food service was very good. Date: 2/27/2010 6:36pm Name: keithWilliams (New) Subject: this place blows i dont know if im the only one who had this experience, but this place blows. girls are good looking but this place has horrible lap dances. the attitude of the employees suck i do not recommend!!! Club Dancers Attitude Nasty Factor Date: 2/22/2010 2:21pm Name: jintsyboy (83) Subject: Responses... A) Riley had the weirdest voice ever. Like she inhaled a whole tank of helium. I never found her that attractive. There was some titillation to dancing with a pornstar, but that was it. Heather was also in the porn industry under the name Loni Waters, mostly doing girl-on-girl scenes only. THat said, I'd take a dance with Heather ANYDAY over Riley's dances. I love Heather and if you like really cool blondes with big, big tits, then Heather is your gal. Promise! B) Vivica is still at 4P. I cannot believe she danced at Rhino 'cause you hit the nail on the head. One incredibly gorgeous and equally frustrating NFZ! Someone on here claimed he used to get mad mileage from her, but I've never gotten close so I just gave up. I want to put my hands on the ass, and having her on my lap and not being able to? No, thanks! C) Susanna. Let me start by saying I LOVE LOVE LOVE Susanna. Haven't danced with her in a year but she is easily one of my favorite girls there. Really naturally beautiful, perfect small, natural boobs and a perfect ass. That said, I'm always wary of first timers who go crazy about someone. But if it's on the up and up, then I better hurry back into her arms. Been a long enough wait (plus Harmony and Carmen are out of town so...) I'm happy to give a re-review of my faves (as it changes all the time) the next time I post. Just know my current bevy includes Harmony (All-American), Carmen (Aussie), Peaches (Latina) and Trinity (Asian) and Lacey (REALLY All-American). But on my list of girls to reacquaint myself with is Susanna, Marty (god, that ass), Tiffany and Chrissie. D) Wheelchairs. Sorry, my friend. Beds are upstairs only. but the side room (three dance minimum) is pretty comfortable. I would think the smarter girls would understand your plight and if you made the difference in price up to them in a bigger tip, they'd treat you the same. Keep in mind, 4P is NOT a high mileage club. You come here cause the girls are WAY hotter. But I always leave happier than when I walked in, so you should be able to at least get a grind (or more from some of the girls if rumors and second-hand info hold true*) that will satisfy. * I can't tell you who those handful of girls are as it is, alas, well-known who I am among management and the girls, and it's all hearsay, anyway. But a clue is that I almost never mention them, as I have never danced with them. Which is NOT to say that everyone I do not mention does. Again, 4P is not a COI club in any way. Now if you go to any COI club and you can't get at least a HJ then you're not trying. Confused? Good. Date: 2/21/2010 7:38pm Name: scheisthausen (40) Subject: Jintsyboy Question for Jintsyboy or anyone else that would like to chime in! I would like to come to this club, I have been reading that the VIP dances or better dances are upstairs. Since I am handicapped, walking up stairs is not an option, do they have VIP or say like upstairs dances downstairs??? I am not in a wheelchair, I use double canes and stairs are just a pain... Date: 2/21/2010 1:18am Name: michael_E (New) Subject: portuguese hottie - SUSANNA!! ***** Was told about this site this week. This is great! I wish i knew about it prior to spending money on the wrong girls. There should be a summary/ score chart qualifying all the dancers... So, here goes my first review: Went to 4play this past friday and danced with Susanna. i have only danced with a few others at this club, but i have to say she is absolutely gorgeous, crazy HOT + SEXXXY!! Super cool girl, too! Not a hustler by any means. Her body is all natural and perfectly proportioned. Tried her for one dance, and couldn't resist going upstairs for 5. It got even hotter upstairs. She is classy, yet dirty in a great way! deadly combo. (totally my type) Loved her naughty little moves. Her pussy is absolutely perfect! She teased the hell out of me and was totally into it, unlike other dancers who are robotic and simply go through their routines. For those who have not danced with her, i would highly recommend her. i would put Susanna at the top of my list, although i have only danced with about 6 girls at 4play (don't remember their names) but would like to know what other girls you guys recommend at the club. Which ones are your top choices? Club Dancers Nasty Factor Date: 2/20/2010 3:50pm Name: sgtarmy (88) Subject: Jintsyboy Hi Jintsyboy, thanks for the info on Riley. I have never seen Riley at 4Play. Only at the Spearmint Rhino in City of Industry. I regret not getting more dances when I saw her in the Rhino. She has a smoking body and offers pretty high mileage dances. Has a rather funny sounding voice but I can live with that. LOL! I have seen some clips of her porn movies and she looks better in person to me. Also, she looks better as a brunnette than a blonde. Have you had dances with her in the past? Oh, do you know if Vivica still works there? She is another Spearmint Rhino girl. To me her face is gorgeous. But man her dances sucked! I have not been to 4Play to get dances with her but her dances were horrible. No touching. NFZ'S all over. And this is at the Rhino mind you. Thanks. Happy Lapping! Date: 2/20/2010 10:32am Name: jintsyboy (82) Subject: Riley & Chase If you're talking about the former porn star, Riley, then no, she hasn't worked at 4P for months now. There is a dancer named Chase, but she is not Riley. Cheers! Date: 2/17/2010 7:15pm Name: sgtarmy (87) Subject: Riley/Chase. Hi does anyone know if Riley/Chase still works at 4Play anymore? Or if she works elsewhere? Thanks in advance!!! Happy Lapping. Date: 2/17/2010 10:13am Name: jintsyboy (81) Subject: Year of the Tiger I got to 4P just in time for the contest. There were 7 contestants, I believe only two of which were not 4P gals. Trinity, Kylie, Kimberly, Sunny and a day girl I don't know were the 4P contestants. I think one of the other gals was a Plan B girl. The place was packed and the club was really decked out and they had custom fortune cookies. Best part for me was the bouncers and managers wearing traditional Chinese garb. Like watching an Chuck Norris flick. Hilarious. Kylie won as there were a lot of youngsters in the crowd and Kylie looks like the high school/co-ed girl they never got to fuck in school. I still think Trinity is the hottest Asian there, with Kimberly a close second. Kylie is super cute, especially if you have any deeply hidden pedophile tendencies, but Trinity has the perfect combination of curve and attitude, and, I gotta say, she may just have the most perfect pussy I have ever seen. Seriously...mesmerizing. If you guys haven't met Marty, you ought to. She has a body that could have worked in any era of stripping. Perfect, and I mean perfect ass. Really cool, too. A word of warning about Tia. Great little body, but a MEAN attitude. I'm sure she's great with the guys who dance with her, but if it's slow and you say no? Yikes. She literally was yelling at this poor boy, who was there with a friend, because he was watching the Olympics. "Really?! You came here to watch the Olympics?! It's not like we WANT to walk around in our underwear! Christ!" Poor kid looked traumatized. Especially since it was obvious he was only there cause his friend made him come. Nice. That's all for now. I'm going to revisit an old friend this week, Susanna. Haven't danced with her in over a year, but I've always thought she was gorgeous and so the itch is coming back. I'll pass along the info... Happy lapping. Date: 2/14/2010 12:46pm Name: HotShot (151) Subject: Asian Persuasion So how did the CHinese New Year show where they tried to use asian pussy persuasion to get customers in ,go last nite? I called down last nite to see if it would be or might be worth the trip. They couldnt tell me how many dancers they were expecting...much less who...so as per ususal a cluster-fuck promo with many a no-show! How ya gonna honestly advertise something like this without some signed up CHinese food guaranteed on the menu!?!? BS! Plus they wernt gonna start it till 11pm, so you wouldnt know till that late how disappointing the asian line-up truly was gonna be...hhmmm.. This place is owned and run by the fur-in-ears fmilies too right? Figures!CHINESE NEW YEAR OR CHINESE LAUNDRY? BWWWAAA Date: 2/3/2010 12:44am Name: jintsyboy (80) Subject: It's a sad day... ...but I am on hiatus from dances for a while until business picks up for me. I'll still drop by and hang with the girls I like to chat with, but for now, I can't help you on reviewing the girls. That said, I stopped by yesterday during the afternoon to say hello to one of the gals and got to talking with Kiyana. She was born in Mexico but grew up in Barcelona (and I love me some chicas from Espana!). She was really cool, thin, tall and has a really interesting look. I wouldn't say gorgeous, but very sexy/exotic. I got the feeling dances would be worth it. Alas, you'll have to judge without my help. Oh, hey, guys who like to play rough (and I have been known to enjoy a bit of that here and there), it's probably a good idea to ask a girl if she's into that BEFORE you take her in for a dance or five. Some of the girls might not mind a little hair pulling if you've established a trusting relationship with them, but at least at 4P, MOST of the girls don't and none of them do without their permission. Just because they're strippers doesn't give you the right to abuse them even if you are paying for it. So if the regular fuckhead PL who dances with a girl during the day whose name starts with "H" is reading this, chill the fuck out. It speaks highly of her that she didn't go to management since she knows guys have different tastes and the other girls have their own rules, but I could tell she was bothered by it. Just 'cause we're PL's doesn't mean we have to be assholes, too. Okay, off my soapbox now. Man, I'm already tense. I need a dance! Where's Carmen when I need her most?! Someone give me some fucking work! Date: 1/28/2010 3:14pm Name: joeriggs (1) Subject: Day Shift Had a fun time with Chloe today. Cool chick and great dance. My buds had dances from amanda? Jenn...kyana..and danielle...all gave good dances but glad i chose Chloe!!! at least i think that was her name. Club Dancers Attitude Nasty Factor Date: 1/27/2010 7:47pm Name: Dragula (44) Subject: Dancers Jintsyboy...thank you for the advice. I appriciate it. I dont think ill go that route. If a girl doesnt wish to sit with me or hang out...I wont push it. It means more to me when a girl sits with me willingly. And I in return, will thank her with a tip at the end of my stay. Maybe a small gift on my next visit. Just my way of saying thank you. Im not looking for a date or fling or one night stand. Just a little company and a little fun for a lonely old man. Thank God for ladys like Kenna, Lacey, Nikka, Danny, and a few others there. Now i need to say something about Megan......SUPER HOT WOMAN!!! What a lucky score for 4play to have someone like her. Date: 1/26/2010 11:16pm Name: urbancowboy (10) Subject: Kellie and Kyra Damn shame about Kellie. yeah she was one good looking chick, but super cold... too bad. Now, my quest continues. Anyone have feedback on Kyra upstairs? I have my faves, so gotta know if it's worth it to throw down $200 bucks (and then tip) before trying a different flavor. Date: 1/26/2010 1:58pm Name: jintsyboy (79) Subject: Bartenders and Kellie All the bartenders rock. Fun and cute. They are also your best bet to hook up with a gal you're having trouble getting the attention of or you see walking into the back room. When they come out, one of the gals behind the bar will send them your way. And BTW, I believe this is a service worth tipping. Kellie...haven't seen her in months. She was one of the most beautiful women in the joint but has a real hangup about being touched at all. Anywhere. That said, she has grinded me to satisfaction in the past, just really distant, even after good talk time and establishing myself as a good tipper to her. Cheers! Date: 1/26/2010 12:16am Name: urbancowboy (9) Subject: Kellie Does Kellie still come in? this chick is friggin hot.. but was cold when i did a dance with her (3 for 75) a while ago - but still curious if she warms up when you go upstairs? Any thoughts? Date: 1/25/2010 10:16pm Name: Dragula (43) Subject: Dancers 4play really is a nice place to come to. I have been lucky enough to have met quite a few ladies here that really make my visit a pleasant one. I feel very lucky ! Jintsyboy...you mentioned Dallas..Dont know her that well but she seems like one of the good ones. Very classy. One more thing...lets not forget the lovely ladies behind the bar. Great work Ladies !!!! Your awesome !!!!!! Date: 1/21/2010 9:19am Name: empelo (329) Subject: Song length I can confirm that the songs at 4Play are the longest in this town. I have reservations about 4Play, but the song length is not one of them. Date: 1/21/2010 8:42am Name: jintsyboy (78) Subject: Ghosts and Haters clubalwayssucked: Based on the name, I'm going to assume that nothing I write here is going to change your mind. That said, they haven't raised their prices in over a year. Still $25/dance downstairs and $40/dance upstairs. However, I've always maintained they play the longest songs. 3.5 minutes everyday except Wednesday's when it's 4 minutes. So to me, it's a good value joint with the highest overall talent (although lately, they've been not quite so picky as to who they hire). Allie at LVSR: Reading this was like seeing a ghost. I had heard she retired. She is truly a one in a million woman and I miss her everyday (am I not the definition of a PL?). Gorgeous and smart and affable and funny and fucking sexy as hell. She's the kind of woman I'd leave my wife to be with...which...granted...is easy for me to say since I have never been married, but you get the point. She is worth the trip to Vegas and 4P has been a little less joyful since she left. And yes, that bottle she has in the back seat of her car does, indeed, have my balls in it (among many others, I'm sure). Stop laughing at me, Dallas, I can hear you from here! Could be worse, I could start pining away for Adrianna again. ;) Date: 1/20/2010 8:30pm Name: latavian (New) Subject: Allie Saw Allie this past Monday at the LVSR, she goes by the name "Elina" there. Apparently she also works at Platinum in LV on occasion. She was such a delight to just speak to. We talked for a while and connected on that level which made the private dance that much better. Allie, come back to 4Play so we can talk about Pinter some more! Date: 1/18/2010 11:25pm Name: Brbonz (134) Subject: Australian Blonde Carmen Date: 1/18/2010 5:52pm Name: 69lover (1) Subject: Carmen Jinsyboy you the man! thanks for the intel. to be honest with her accent i couldnt understand a word she said (LOL) but shes hot as hell and gives good grind so going bak for repeat performance! Date: 1/18/2010 4:04am Name: clubalwayssucked (New) Subject: hours?? what r the weekend hours and has the club lowered prices and extended the time of music??? compared to ISP.....thanks Date: 1/17/2010 10:56pm Name: urbancowboy (8) Subject: Keep up the good work Jintsy, thanks again my man. Didn't realize Kimberly was 1/2 Asian; interesting. Yeah, she's hot, but always good to know before throwing down $200-300 upstairs. If anyone has any feedback, please feel free to download the intel. Is she worth the "tip" upstairs? Maybe she's cooler with the guys she has chemistry with (or i.e. she thinks she's going to be making some money hangin with your PL ass). Would really suck to get up there and then after the 1st dance want it to end... which has never happened to me up there but has downstairs in the side room... and actually with Christine (the other Asian chick) - man, I know she's slow and sensual... but she just gave off this "bitch" attitude that I really was thinking of just paying her to get off me. btw.. what clubs do the girls usually go to in Vegas when working over there (always good to know). Date: 1/17/2010 3:47am Name: jintsyboy (77) Subject: So many questions... ...so little time... Okay, in order: Kimberly: Smokin' Amerasian. Young, sassy, funny, GREAT tits and a perfect ass, but I have heard some question her commitment in the dance area. She has strict NFZ's, but that doesn't mean it isn't worthwhile. I find her to be really sexy and there are more than a few gals at the 4P who, in spite of the lack of mileage, still deliver. Kimberly is one of them, Christine is the other that comes to mind. Not a Kenna fan, myself, but she's always busy and many guys love her.She has the darkest eyes ever and I don;t think they are contacts and that's kinda sexy, I'm just not a fan of her body type (thicker) and she can talk(...and talk...). That said, she gives off an air of KYSO foxiness. I remember Jersey's first couple days (this is her first club) and this one fuck-o completely owned her and as a result I never got a dance with her. But she really is super foxy. One day. As for defections...a lot of girls hit Vegas for a while and some NYC. Others just took a sanity break. Interesting to hear about Jet Strip as I know a couple girls moved to 4P from there. But as the holidays disappear in the rearview mirror, more girls are returning. No idea what happened to Kitty. Miss her. Always cracked me up and the few times I danced with her, she always rocked my world. She's missed by many actually, but she very definitely had another life outside that she was developing...healing, or something...so good for her. Australian blonde...remember? Hell, I'd marry her. It's Carmen. GOGOGOrgeous, an accent that'll give you a stiffie and a body that'll finish it off. I love Carmen. I love Carmen. No..no...really, I love Carmen. Then again I also love Maya. And Trinity. And Peaches. Dude, ease up on the Alexandra criticism. She's Russian and a lot of the russian gals didn't have access to the same orthodontic advantages that we take for granted. Also, one man's need for a "boob job" is another man's (namely me) appreciation of the natural. She was a ballerina back in the USSR and I LOVE her body for it. Yes, she has a gap in her teeth, but she doesn't look like a hillbilly. Her face sometimes does get very moony but it goes in phases. I kinda like when it does...reminds me of this girl I lusted after in college. Kathy C. Sometimes, in a long while I'll dance with Alex just to think of how much I loved fucking that Kathy C. All that said, of the blonde Russian's she comes in third behind Dasha and the long gone Adrianna (who tops the list even though she's been retired for almost six months). I see Hennessy is back on the roll calls at Deja Vu NH. She is one of the hottest, sexiest and yummy dancers in the business. Now that she's back I'll have to venture back over the hill to see her. Date: 1/16/2010 10:32pm Name: alan35 (27) Subject: alexandria anyone ever notice the gaps in her teeth? she needs dental bonding. also have not seen her in a while did her face get rounder/bigger? kinda moonlike. she needs a boob job. Date: 1/16/2010 1:26pm Name: batiman007 (8) Subject: 2much4u: Some girls came over to the Jet Strip. Not sure of their names. Date: 1/16/2010 12:49pm Name: 69lover (New) Subject: Aussie blonde? does anyone remember the name of the AUstralian blonde? Date: 1/16/2010 7:18am Name: 2much4u (21) Subject: Desertions? Seems like alot of girls have deserted the place in the last month. Am I wrong? Was there a mass defection to another club? Which one? Also, whatever happened to that girl Kitty? Date: 1/16/2010 1:11am Name: urbancowboy (7) Subject: Thanks Thanks Jintsyboy. As always, you are the man with the intel. What about Kimberly - last time I tried her out - it was a flat experience, really unemotional.. was wondering if anyone has tried her out lately. Has she warmed up? Also, I see Kenna around and she looks super hot - but no mention about her (that I remember) on these boards - how is she? Thanks always, the recon helps (especially in these "watch your dollars" days). Hotties recommended: Maya (yes incredibly body), Megan (f'n hot body too), Vivica, Jersey.. all hot looking girls with tight bodies, and "worth" the cash. Any other recommendation based on the above samplings and type? Date: 1/14/2010 11:11pm Name: jintsyboy (76) Subject: Vivica and Kira Not sure where Vivica has been, but I saw her not too long ago. Maybe a couple weeks ago or so. There definitely is something about Kira. Great on the pole and not a bad grind downstairs...but really hit or miss in the personality department. If she's feeling frisky, she's really attentive and into it. But if not, might as well be with a blow up doll. As a result I've never considered taking her upstairs. I stopped dancing with her altogether when we were talking one night and I was just about to suggest we go get a dance or two or seven when a movie star walked in. She literally just stood up and walked away while I was in mid-sentence. Then when it was obvious she wasn't going to get a dance from him, she came back and sat down like nothing had happened. Uh...no thanks. She's got every right to go after the big money, but not to treat someone who had been a pretty good spender like a complete loser. Okay, so maybe I am, but she doesn't have to REMIND me that I'm a complete loser. As for upstairs? No idea. We won't ever get that far. Let's see...updates: 1) Lacey is back in town. Miss Nude Oregon. Really, really cute and great dances. 2) Alexandra is back in town. 3) Maya has been seen without the wig lately. I can't tell you how perfect this woman's body is...it has to be seen to be believed. But up until now she has always had a wig on and now that it isn't, it's even better. 4) Haven't mentioned her in a while, but Sophie is without a doubt the sweetest girl in the business. I'm starting up a call to take one less dance and donate that money to Haiti. $25 via iTunes. All goes to the Red Cross. If you're dancing with a girl who will actually mind you doing that...then it's times to pick another girl. Date: 1/14/2010 1:29pm Name: urbancowboy (6) Subject: M.I.A. Anyone know if Vivica still dancing here? Haven't seen her around in a while. Did she go somewhere else? Also, curious about Kira... is she worth it upstairs? Something about her.... Date: 1/9/2010 7:17pm Name: jintsyboy (74) Subject: Count Dragula I can't agree more! When it's totally dead, or the word is going around that most of the PL's aren't spending, I could see the boredom taking over. But even when the place is full lately many of the girls are sitting around using a new App. 50% of this, I'm sure is how friggin' addictive phones are now. Even I spend a good part of my time at 4P on my iPhone. It's like TV when we were kids - mesmerized. BUT, you'd think the girls would want to make some money while they're there. Interestingly, your situation brings up a weird double standard, or is it more of a dilemma? No doubt you wanted to take the blonde in back (wonder who it was - any more of a description?), so you probably turned down other girls. They may have told the blonde that you weren't playing only watching so she figured, why bother? Not your fault by any stretch! Just because a bunch of girls hear "no" is no reason for them to stop trying. On the other hand...tell the girl you want to get to know her. Or better yet, mention it to a waitress or bartender. That's one of the more important parts of their job...to match up the PL to the hottie. She'll put the phone away real fast. New girl: Imagine my surprise when I called the hotline and heard the name Adrianna! The funnest, hottest, coolest Russkie in the joint who disappeared/retired a few months ago. Imagine my disappointment when I arrived and found out Adrianna was actually a brunette from Atlanta. TOO SOON to be giving away names of Hall of Famers! I chatted her up for a bit and she said a lot of guys were surprised to see her instead of the bright blue-eye'd, giggling, long legged bundle of joy that was the real Adrianna. It's like calling LaDanian LT. Sorry, already is an LT. Anyway, haven't danced with her yet (currently on a Harmony and Peaches kick), but she's really cute and while not the thinnest gal in the joint, she is really, really sexy and I will dance with her soon. Phones were out of order earlier this week. Panicked that maybe they had gone under. OH MY GOD, WTF WOULD I DO? I don't want a girlfriend! Texted a gal there and she said it was just faulty phones (whew!) so I came in. But guess what...no ATM and no Credit Card machine as a result. Lot of frustrated boys and girls that day. Fixed by the evening though. How friggin' awful is this Eagles-Cowboys game? Date: 1/9/2010 3:58pm Name: Dragula (42) Subject: Dancers with cell phones I must admit. The girls at this club are super hot. I have gone several times here and had a great time !! (but not on the weekends. Fridays and saturdays are a seating nightmare. During the week is awesome) If the dancers gave the same attention to the customers as they do to their cell phones, this place would be number one on my list. I went the other night and I couldnt get the attention of one blonde that just sat there playing with her cell phone. Didnt even try to talk to the guys or walk around the room. So after about an hour of trying...i went to the bare. Too bad...shes hot too. Just not attentive....and im a big tipper Date: 1/1/2010 8:59pm Name: jintsyboy (73) Subject: Sweet Dispositions and Jessica Juggernaut, I too much prefer to get to know a gal before I dance with her as I believe a good 60% of a successful lap experience comes from the chemistry created and/or discovered BEFORE the dance ever happens. And for the record, I have heard Chloe is indeed a really nice girl. I wasn't in any way doubting she has a sweet disposition. I was just a bit curious about the use of the phrase in combination with the very specific knowledge of her hours, how she was apparently the "hottest blonde I've ever seen" and that she was "seeexxxxxxxxyyyyyy". Even I don't rave about my favorites in that manner and I LOVE LOVE LOVE my favorites. Hence my wariness at the authorship. Brbonz...Jessica, right! That was her. But really? High mileage from "Cunnilingus at the Rail"? I'm shocked! I'm afraid the closest I'll get to finding out the KYSO-ability of Jessica is in the privacy of my home in my sick and depraved thoughts. I'm afraid that in real life we'd be in the throws of an NFZ dance when she would suddenly projectile Jack and Coke-induced bile my way. And on that pleasant note - Happy New Year! Date: 1/1/2010 12:02pm Name: juggernaut (1) Subject: Re Fun facts there Jinstyboy. Honestly I never danced with Peaches, Ivy, or Carmen.But now that you mention them, I will soon (Who is Ivy??????) I danced with Chloe when I got a chance to talk with her. I like her. I guess its better if I kind of know the girl before I take her for a dance. One time, I think, I saw Dallas early in the evening. It is true that she is hot as hell. I think I get Women123's use of "sweet disposition." Maybe you might have to talk to Chloe before you dance with her. All well. To each his own. And if Chloe wrote that review herself, that's funny as as shit. It wouldn't surprise me. PS- Anyone danced with April?? Date: 12/31/2009 8:25pm Name: Brbonz (120) Subject: Re: Train Wreck Jintstboy, it was Jessica. She dances at SRVN as Lindsey. Rail thin blonde with crazy eyes. I've the gotten good mileage from her at the other club. Have fun with her she won't remember. Date: 12/31/2009 10:16am Name: jintsyboy (72) Subject: Chloe's "objective" reviewer - women123 So, I haven't danced with Chloe, but nonetheless, I can't quite figure out what the big deal is. She's very pretty, but not "the hottest blonde". Methinks that post is either from the young lady herself or a close friend, because as much as I'd like to think there are PL's out there who would write about a dancers "sweet disposition", it's not a phrase that comes quickly to guys looking for a grind. We'd say things like "she's great to talk to" or "really fucking funny", or "what she lacks in pure hotness she makes up for in KYSO grindability". But "sweet disposition"? Not likely. You see, women123, this board actually gives accurate reviews for the most part and if you are that hot and fun, you don't need to advertise here. We'll do it for you. But if you write yourself up like you're the second coming of the stripper messiah, we'll tear you down fast if you can't walk the walk. And as the most active PL at both the joint and on this board, I can tell you this with no hesitation. While you are very cute and a great pole dancer, at 4Play, you rate very much in the middle of the pack when it comes to looks. Without a moment of thought I can tell you that Christine, Dascha, Lacie, Chrissie, Dallas, and many more are blondes that trump your looks. If we take hair color out of the filter, you fall further. Day shift? Peaches, Ivy and Carmen. All rate higher for me That said, glad to have you here! The day shift is in desperate need of new girls who are as cute as you. I'll take a dance with you soon and give an objective review of it here on this board. Deal? While we're on the subject of new girls, I took a dance with Harmony the other night. A girl-next-door type, slightly "wrong side of the tracks"-ish, she's really fit with natural and abundant breasts and a very "sweet disposition". LOL. She seems a little dim at first, but once you start chatting with her and she warms to you, she's actually really cool. She gives a great grind and takes it nice and slow. Would (and will) dance with her again. Was in on Tuesday for the day shift. Man, there was a girl there who was such a train wreck. Wish I could remember her name. Short blonde hair, huge fake tits and DRU-U-U-UNK. Could barely stand on her shoes. When she got on stage I sat on the rail to watch the circus, put a couple bucks down and she proceeded to wrap her legs around my face and stick her pussy, LITERALLY, less than an inch from my mouth. I told her to be careful, because A) she'd lose her job, and B) hard for me to not do something stupid in that situation and I like my VIP status. It was her second day and I don't think she'll be back. Should've taken a dance with her. Might have been the most high mileage dance ever at 4P. But really, too skanky for me. If I see her again, I'll let you dirtbags out there looking for a COI experience on the west side know. Happy New Year all you 4P PL's. And for the gals reading this, please be careful tonite. Without you, I have not Date: 12/26/2009 12:29pm Name: juggernaut (New) Subject: Chloe & Carmen Hot chicks. One has real tits. The other fake. Carmen's accent gets me every time. Chloe's charm makes me wonder why she works here. I think Carmen works at night too, but I've never seen her, only in the day. If you like hot blonde girls and can't come after nine, I recommend these two. Plus, they don't seem to care if you take them upstairs (expensive) or downstairs (cheaper). Club Dancers Attitude Date: 12/24/2009 6:23pm Name: laptopdance (1) Subject: AVOID Charlie!: bad dancer, liar and scene maker Charlie: Worst dancer ever Had a day time dance upstairs with a dancer named Charlie. She was a very good looking brunette. Dance was terrible air dance. I offered tip to no avail. I almost wanted to stop her in the middle of the dance. She was all an act and no real contact. I was bored by the end. I asked her that is enough and she LIED and said, there's a 5 dance minimum upstairs. I said NO not during daytime. She asked me why I wanted to stop and I told her the truth, I didn't like it and was bored. After we went to the bar to pay and she realized she is getting no tip, she started screaming at me and making a scene. She was acting as if she is on drugs or she is bipolar. She went on and on and the Dr Phil floater/manager guy standing a few feet away did not stop her. She was hot but gave a crappy dance, lied and made a scene but the worst thing was the manager gut not reacting a bit and not putting her in her place. I have had one dancer at a different club who made a scene or go around and spread lies about you to other dancers so they may avoid you just to crapify your time. I spend 4-5 C's every time I go to this club and tip every girl $20 to $60. I will go back but will always this bipolar freak. Btw, the dances upstairs are REALLY worth it during day time. MUCH better than going to Silver Reign. Songs are longer, you get a 241 for your entry fee (7-8 minutes for $40), no minimum during daytime and it is really NICE upstairs! I cannot believe I got dances downstairs before. Club Dancers Attitude Nasty Factor Date: 12/22/2009 9:31pm Name: women123 (New) Subject: Chloe-day shift Hottest blond I've ever seen in person. Terrific dances. Surprisingly sweet disposition. Beautiful body. Day shift, usually mondays and fridays. WOW. Sexxxxyyyyyyy Club Dancers Attitude Date: 12/21/2009 12:34pm Name: Brbonz (115) Subject: Sheila Don't get me wrong, I'd do both her and her girlfriend in a second! Date: 12/21/2009 10:52am Name: paigespick (19) Subject: sheila jintsy, i thought she was half italian and swedish? Date: 12/19/2009 3:43pm Name: jintsyboy (71) Subject: Wait...a stripper who likes women? CRAZY! Ha. Never knew she was Italian. Always assumed Russian since she only hangs out with the Russian gals. plus I had heard she used to do porn in the Russian market. Huh. My bad. Date: 12/18/2009 8:36pm Name: Brbonz (112) Subject: Take off of the list Sheila is Italian. And if you hang out with her long enough you'll find out that she prefers pussy. She's very cold and mechanical when it comes to grinding. All else I agree with you. Love them Russians! Date: 12/18/2009 5:53pm Name: jintsyboy (70) Subject: 4P 4ood and Russkies... The food at 4P is not bad as bar food goes, but the food at Plan B is really first rate, like a 22 or 23 in Zagat first rate. Of course it's a little difficult to enjoy the food when drunken PL's are screaming over the loud music. Plus there is the whole Plan B average of 6's or 7's, versus 4P's 8's, 9's, and at least a few 10's. As for the Russians I've lost (err...I mean 4P has lost...) I don;t think they've moved to Body Shop, unles you've seen them there. Adrianna is apparently retired from the biz. Alexandra has moved to Vegas - or is at least splitting time there. Maya is back. At least her name is on the hotline a lot lately, although I have yet to see her. The Russians still around? Dasha - Jesus H Christ. I don't NEED to dance with her, that's how super fine she is. BUT, she is teeny and a lot of guys don't go for that. Nikka - Another in a long line of beautiful, lithe, natural girls. Very sweet, too. Sheila - Been around 4P for quite some time. Was red, now platinum, had bush, now has none. Vanessa - Tall, natural brunette, as noted, tied with Dallas for best sense of humour in the joint. And then there's a Bulgarian...Dez, whom I can't decide if she's stuck up or is just quiet. She's really beautiful, though and one of these days I'll get a dance or two from her. Now, of all of the above, Dasha is the only girl I've danced with and, at least with me, she has some serious NFZ's. That said, she knows how to grind and is really crazy hot. An 11 in my book. Maya is another 10-11 with maybe the most perfect ass on the planet (sorry, Bella, Tiffany and Katrina - Maya wins in a very close contest). But I do miss Adrianna. She was a real sweetheart, a real 10, and a woman I would've married in a minute. I know, so predictable a PL am I. And Hennessy, not Russian at all, or even close really, but I miss her nonetheless. She's at DVNH, but I really don't enjoy that joint enough to make the drive, so I never get to see her. Oh, and Allie has retired as well, also not Russian, but I miss her just as much. <sniff sniff> I'm getting all weepy here. Adrianna, Hennessy, Allie...come BACK TO ME! I really am pathetic, huh? But I have invested time, energy, emotions and, obviously, copious amounts of in these women. I'm allowed a moment or two of reflection, no? Back in the real world, lately I've been trying to revisit favorites here that I haven't had the opportunity to mention in some time. Last week I mentioned Heather. This week it's Ivy. Ivy is the hottest Mexican-Romanian you'll EVER see. She's also the coolest (as in hip, not icy). Great conversation, musical tastes and laps. Love me some Ivy! Damn I need my Holiday Bonus money soon. All this talk is making me very... Date: 12/18/2009 12:04pm Name: Brbonz (109) Subject: Jintsyboy:Agree! Totally agree! Though, there can be some gems at Plan B and the food at 4 Play is not bad. Where have all the Russians gone. I think some have gone to Body Shop after the fire/re-model. Date: 12/18/2009 12:56am Name: jintsyboy (69) Subject: LOL... ...must be some drug to mistake those two joints, brbonz! Plan B has some of the best food in town, but the women don't match 4P at all. Cheers! Date: 12/17/2009 8:05pm Name: Brbonz (108) Subject: Jintstboy:My bad You're right, I'm talking about, Plan B. I never meant it for 4 Play. My bad. That's what drugs do to me. Date: 12/17/2009 8:45am Name: jintsyboy (68) Subject: Brbonz I don;t know when the last time you came in was, but I've been a regular for well over a year and they haven't remodeled ANYTHING. Sure you have the right place? Also, there are no dancers named "Roxanne". And there aren't any latinas with "HUUUGE tits". There is, however, one latina who does not allow touching AT ALL. But gorgeous, and that is Vivica (although one guy on this board claims to have had HIGH mileage with her - guess I caught her on the wrong day). But the other latina's, like Lucy and Peaches, give great dances, unless you are out and out rude to them, in which case, why would they let you touch them? There are certainly several stuck up dancers at this (and many other clubs), and I have mentioned many issues with 4P in the past, but before you start hurling bad reviews, make sure you've got the right place. Methinks you went to Silver Reign and thought you were at 4P? That or you work for Silver Reign. Either way, can't get mistakes or bullshit past me. I'm a PL that is there WAY too often. Happy holidays. Date: 12/17/2009 8:11am Name: Brbonz (107) Subject: Remodel This place has completely been remodeled. Not much more privacy in the topless dances, they fucked up. Roxanne is a big, thick girl but has an awesome proportionate look to her. Not very good in the dances, she's too into herself and had just gotten off the stage and had some harsh b.o.! Got another dance from a latina girl with hugggge tits but wouldn't allow touching. This place is full of stuck up girls, they need to remodel the dancers. Date: 12/17/2009 12:50am Name: jintsyboy (67) Subject: Riley... ...is long gone, I'm afraid. However, Candace (not Candy), the 4'11" brunette with the great attitude and amazing ass is back, now going by the name Katrina. Really sweet girl. Date: 12/14/2009 8:12pm Name: sgtarmy (79) Subject: Jintsyboy Hey Jintsyboy, do you know if Riley still works at 4Play? I know her from Spearmint Rhino City of Industry. Was a pornstar at one time. Do you know if she goes by Riley or Riley Chase? She looks very hot. Nice body but man that voice!!! LOL!!!!!! Date: 12/14/2009 1:22am Name: jintsyboy (66) Subject: Lacey, Ayana, Heather and fat girls! New girl...Lacey...only working through tomorrow night and then back in January. Damn this girl is fine. All natural, small tits, perfect booty, Farrah-like hair and gorgeous eyes. Knows her way around the stage. Chatted her up for a bit and she claimed to be the current Miss Nude Oregon. Took her for a spin. REALLY good dances. Works a little too hard, but takes good direction (don't like the girls who jump up and down, rather take it slow and easy). The grind was awesome and she was really into it, or acted like it...what do I care which. She does talk a bit, but stopped when it mattered. When I got home (with a big ass grin on my face) I checked out her story and it's true. She is the current Miss Nude Oregon. Highly recommended! Also, Ayana is back. Lost some weight and changed her hair. She is now SUPER smoking hot. And a word about Heather. Beautiful, funny, and a ridiculous body, she gives a great grind. Always seem to forget to mention her, but she is a Jintsyboy all-star to be sure. Oh, noname, you are not wrong. Been quite the influx of thickness at 4P of late. NOT what the 4P is known for. There is nothing wrong with it and it has it's place at many LA clubs, but NOT 4P. There are a couple thicker girls that do very well at 4P and have been there for ages and frankly, they are solid and have great bodies. Sedona is a perfect example. GREAT shape, but not skinny. But some of the new day girls are not up to 4P standards by any stretch (and some of the vets are putting on a bit of holiday weight - but that will change with the seasons - always does). Mgmt doesn't need to worry about the vets...but the majority of the new women are just not in the same class as most of the regulars. Even in the day shift, when you have hotties like Peaches, Lucy and the occasional night girl, like Carmen in the room, the new girls just seem like they are in the wrong place. I'm just sayin'... Of course maybe good looking girls have stopped coming to the Tuesday contest (which is where they do their hiring). Just thought I'd let noname123 know he ain't wrong. Date: 12/8/2009 5:47pm Name: jintsyboy (65) Subject: Peaches and a clarification... It occurs to me that management, who does read this, and the uninitiated on this board, might not know what "fuckoed" means, and since I care about the gals I dance with and don't want there to be any misunderstanding, I'd like to explain. "Fuckoed" refers to a regular who doesn't leave the girl that you want to dance with alone for a really long period of time. In other words, Peaches has a couple regulars that spend so much time with her, those of us who like her are "fuckoed". It does NOT mean that she does anything carnal with customers. Capice? It is an old term on this board that regular PL's understand (PL=Pathetic Loser). I am the quintessential PL at 4P. Okay, that said, Peaches is definitely NOT the asian/white mixed girl. Peaches is a long auburn haired, latina with a very cute young face and a perfect "10" body. And her dances are so good because she makes you feel like she cares and she knows how to grind. There ya go. Date: 12/2/2009 1:19am Name: noname123 (1) Subject: fat girls... sorry but $ play has never had so many heavy girls, wont name any names. but am i jsut seeing things? Date: 12/1/2009 11:46pm Name: jintsyboy (64) Subject: Responses to Minnow and NN123 Minnow: 1) You are correct, if a girl is in either downstairs room or the VIP dancing, she will not get called on stage. I swear the DJ's decide the next girl on the stage by who walks in front of the booth when he thnks of it. 2) The smoking lobby is outside at the entrance, so if they ain't on the floor and they ain't outside, they're in the dressing room. 3) Kaylee - never danced with her, just always enjoyed my conversations with her and she's really fucking cute. Too bad about her dances. Hope you didn't spend your PL dollars on my account. 4) New blondes? Hmm...Dascha? Man, she is so damned gorgeous, I don't even know what to say to her. Dances are so-so with a walled in NFZ up top, but so hot, who cares? NN123: 1) Yeah, girls are all over the map in terms of mileage, ability and looks. That's one of the reasons I like the place so much. There are girls I love hanging with and others I love dancing with and they, in many instances, are not the same girl. That said, if you want to hang with a girl when it's busy, you should tip them for their time if you decide not to dance with them, or buy them dinner (inexpensive menu anyway and the gesture goes a long way). The girls are there for a purpose and as much fun as I may be having chatting I always defer to guys who are planning on spending money. 2) Isabel...never had a dance with her but there are several reviews of her on this board and they are all over the map, as well. Personally, while I think her body is ridonculous, she's not really my type. But your report is not the first of it's ilk. 3) Meghan...again, never had a dance with her and, again, not my type, and again, not the first person to report of the tip request (read the DVNH board for how they reacted to her!). However, I have a couple friends who SWEAR by her so it would seem the tip might have been worth it for you. 4) I always get a good grind from Trinity, Carmen, Heather and Peaches (she's day only and she's got a couple fuckoe's that are her regulars - so you gotta get there around lunchtime). There are several other girls who are really cool and I doubt highly would demand a tip ahead of time (unless of course you are negotiating for extras - not that you'll find that at this club - COI for that). But listen, to each his own. If Isabel or Meghan are your fantasy girls then "pay the five dollars"! Me? I prefer to tip at the back end, regardless of how much I want the girl. Date: 12/1/2009 9:43pm Name: minnow (78) Subject: Kaylee(sp???), 2 Nite TR's I haven't been to ITA in a while, and I'm not sure exactly what a FL stripper face is supposed to look like, but I did encounter a Kaylee on a recent visit. She was med. tall, long dark hair (color challenged SC vision??), and a tattoo from upper thigh- hip. Had sensual stage show style. I couldn't vouch for perkiness/puffiness of boobs, because she'd hardly rub them in my face- I'd rate her LD performance weak, even by 4P standards. As for my visits, they could hardly be more different. Sunday night was DEAD- dancers hardly circulated, mainly would hang out in dressing room (or smoking lobby??) between sets. Customary dancer attractiveness was there, but I'd see some dancers up twice in 1 hr. Note- it is customary here to take dancer out of lineup if she's getting a dance, so no worries about having LD's or VIP's interrupted. Wed. visit wasn't a hopping night either, but dancers were far more active circulating for dances. Crowd level was only slightly higher than Sunday, but twice as many dancers (~ 16 vs. 8 ). Also, fair diversity, between familiar Jade, Tabitha, tall Sophie, and 2 new (for me) blondes. One good feature on Wed. night was the 4 minute songs. So, some good value there. Club Dancers Attitude Nasty Factor Date: 11/30/2009 10:20pm Name: noname123 (New) Subject: are you kidding me? i got a few dances at 4play last week with a handful of girls. some were amazing, others horrible, and some too boring to mention. isabell was a rude little brat, who i walked out of my lap dance with, she litterally told me that if i didnt tip her at least one hundred dollars that my lap dance was going to suck. wow. i waled out, she was livid. haha poor little girl. megan also demanded that i tip her. these girls are kidding right? i dont mind tipping, and of corse i would have tipped well! (had i enjoyed my experience) 4play girls never had such a menu before. that was more silver reign, evertime ive been to 4 the girls are classy. not this time. still they had a few lookers though. they have always been famous for that. what do u think of these girls? Club Dancers Attitude Nasty Factor Date: 11/29/2009 8:29pm Name: jintsyboy (63) Subject: Questions answered... Kaylee, who is gone again, has long auburn hair, a Florida stripper face and perky, puffy boobs. Trinity works Thursday and Saturday nights as a rule. Danced with her last night. Man, her ass gets better and better each time I see her and she's really cool to hang with as well. Alexandra has returned. Still no Maya or Adrianna. (sigh) To make things worse, word is Allie has retired from 4P. My PL world is crumbling as my faves slowly disappear. Might have to start making the trek to DVNH for Hennessy. Date: 11/24/2009 3:58pm Name: Brbonz (98) Subject: 4Play waitress @ the Jetstrip 4play waitress dances at jetstrip. The cute, shoulder length blonde was working as a dancer. My friend watched her do her stage show but couldn't place where he knew her from. Say she's ok naked. Will check her out this weekend. Date: 11/22/2009 5:53pm Name: osito27 (14) Subject: Kaylee What does Kaylee look like? Is this the same Kaylee from Imperial Anaheim? Date: 11/22/2009 6:59am Name: osito27 (13) Subject: Trinity Hey jintsyboy, any idea when Trinity usually works? Date: 11/22/2009 1:12am Name: jet219us (130) Subject: hey yeah, absolutely the same vivica. light skinned, huge tits, beautiful face. She was really strange, b/c she HATED being a stripper, but she would make me do weird things like give her a massage b4 the dance started, saying how I had really strong hands and stuff. And she'd smile and say "come in more often, you don't have to tip me for extra stuff." I don't go to strip clubs anymore, but chicks acted WEIRD when i was there. Sometimes they'd want to fuck, others they'd offer a BJ, others they'd let me do NOTHING, it was always random. One time a girl gave me $20 from her stage tips, and told me not to come anymore, to date girls my own age and stuff. Strippers and drugs = crazy Date: 11/22/2009 12:32am Name: jintsyboy (61) Subject: Vivica? Are we talking about the same Vivica? If we are then I suppose I'll have to invest some time and money to see if I have the same success you apparently have had. I'd LOVE to buzz around those NFZ's. Date: 11/19/2009 5:51pm Name: jet219us (129) Subject: vivica I got dances from her at SRI, more than 3-4 times. She was frisky at first, but became pretty compliant as time went by. As a guy whose broke COMPLETELY past NFZ with her countless times, she has some of the best boobs I have ever dealt with in my entire life. I literally would get excited just when she would unclip her bra before the dance started. I'd never seen tits that big on a girl this small and petite, and hot. Date: 11/19/2009 4:08pm Name: markydesade (34) Subject: Candy I have found her dances to be quite enjoyable, but I agree with you about the makeup. The first time I saw her up close I thought she had just come from clown school. Good news about Kaylee... Date: 11/19/2009 1:57am Name: jintsyboy (60) Subject: Candy? Really? Huh...different strokes, I guess. That makeup is not my thing, but hey, to each his own. I have no idea what her dances are like. I'm always surprised at how busy she is. Guess she's doing something right. Kaylee has been back in town for a bit. Red hot 19-year-old who really reminds me of a Florida stripper. Not to be confused with Kylie, the teeny-tiny Asian chick. Some good news, especially for Taos. The Asian bouncer with the really bad attitude (and ridiculous hair) is gone. Don't know the circumstances, just know it's a little more relaxing in the dance areas. They're still on the subtle lookout, but that dude would walk right up to you and watch. Especially if you were dancing with the gals he liked. Management is now made up of the most capable and reasonable former bouncers. Good guys, who understand that it's about the girls. A more pleasant experience than it used to be. Some girls have been MIA for some time though. Most notably the Russian triumvirate of Maya, Adrianna and Alexandra. They are missed! And Hennessy is apparently only putting in an appearance at DVNH these days. A bummer for this PL! Peaches still rocks my world during the day, and Carmen, Allie and Trinity are always dependable night choices. But the Slav accents and perfect asses are def missed! <sigh> Date: 11/17/2009 6:31pm Name: michaelanders (1) Subject: candy How are her dances?? She looks hot.. Date: 11/17/2009 12:36am Name: minnow (76) Subject: Last 3 Posts Yes, I've seen Jade recently, on a mid-late week night. I have found that dialing club ph#, and pressing 3 prompt gives a very accurate rundown on dancers working that day or night shift. I wish speaker would slow down and speak more clearly at times. Last post illustrates one of the downsides of visiting club on peak nights whereby club caters more to couples/groups wanting a reserved table. This leaves single club visitor the choice of being a standee, or trying to squeak into a stageside seat. One reason why I plan my peak night visits at this club (or most any worthwhile club) to get in early, and leave early. Date: 11/14/2009 9:18am Name: Dragula (41) Subject: Club Practices I went to this club last night ,Nov 13 and a week ago Nov 7 in the evening. I went early to make sure i got a table and someplace to sit. And both times I did and was enjoying the show. Until i was asked to move and find another place to sit because the place I was at for the past hour and a half instintly became reserved for someone else. So by that time, the club was full and was left with no choice but to stand. I stopped going to this club back in January '09 because of this very same reason. I posted my complaint on here and I got an apology from the club but it seems like this practice has not change a bit after less then one year. They didnt even make it up by finding me a new place to sit that was equal to where i was or a free drink or a pass for my next visit or anything. They just left me standing. Doesnt seem like this club was sorry at all!! Last time, i didnt report this to the BBB because i did get an apology from the club but now...things are differant. Time to make that call. Date: 11/11/2009 5:30pm Name: abc123 (1) Subject: Jade Any info on jade? still work here and time and date? Date: 11/5/2009 5:31pm Name: Brbonz (93) Subject: Nadine Does anyone know if Nadine still works there. Date: 10/28/2009 11:44am Name: Yes_you_can (3) Subject: Want more lap dances? Make money for more lap dances! Don't miss out on this fantastic opportunity to get in on the ground floor of something predicted grow as fast and big as Google or Facebook. It's fun! It's free! It saves you money! It pays you money! It can't get better than this! Just go to: http://ppl.blastoffnetwork.com/jshaddad Sign up for your own Blastoff.com website. It's FREEEE! Date: 10/26/2009 7:19pm Name: sgtarmy (68) Subject: Jintsyboy/Vivica. Hey Jintsyboy, I first met Vivica earlier this year at the Spearmint Rhino(COI)Club. I had a dance with her (Nude mind you) and it was very low mileage. No touching whatsoever. I was very disappointed. I'm not sure if you are familiar with Spearmint Rhino dances. Most girls allow full contact if you know what I mean. She is very gorgeous like you said but no mileage at all. So I highly doubt that she just didn't like you. I will not get a dance with her again. Yes she is gorgeous and has a great body but I will spend my hard earned money on others who offer more mileage. Happy Lapping Date: 10/26/2009 5:52pm Name: alan35 (23) Subject: answer fire in the hole! the u go in with a flashlight and a 45. think of forest gump, or charlie sheen in platoon! LOL Date: 10/26/2009 4:35pm Name: poop69 (4) Subject: joke how? Date: 10/26/2009 10:40am Name: alan35 (22) Subject: a joke how do u check a vietnamese girl for an std? Date: 10/26/2009 10:24am Name: Newbie_Dave (2) Subject: Tatiana She's been working there off and on for a long while, dayshift only I think. She has really long brown hair, and natural C's/D's. Although I like a bit of variety when I stop by the club, she's def one of the girls I make sure to dance with. Hot dance with no hustle. Has any one stopped in Wed dayshift? How is it? Date: 10/26/2009 9:00am Name: BBWLover (580) Subject: sgtarmy/jintsyboy/Vivica Are you guys talking about the same girl? I understand YMMV but not a complete 180 degrees?LOL. Is she a HOT babe or a HOT Potato no one wants to touch,? BBBBer Date: 10/26/2009 7:56am Name: jintsyboy (59) Subject: Vivica/Tatiana I've said it before, Vivica might be one of the most beautiful women I've ever seen. A Catherine Zeta-Jones double with a shapelier (and almost perfect) ass. Problem for me is her dances. I got a dance from her the second I saw her and her entire body was a NFZ (hands behind me) and not a very good grind. BUT, that was her first night. Anyone know if that has changed? I'd love to get reacquainted with her if she's become friendlier. Of course, there does exist the possibility that she just didn't like me... Who is Tatiana? Date: 10/25/2009 5:31pm Name: Newbie_Dave (1) Subject: Fri dayshift Stopped in this Friday dayshift. Lots of new faces.. most are pretty hot. Maybe because this was dayshift, but girls seem to be more willing to hold a conversation and not run to much of a "hustle". Also, danced with Tatiana, guess she's been gone for some time now. Real sensual lady! Date: 10/24/2009 8:34pm Name: sgtarmy (67) Subject: Vivica. Hey guys, has anyone seen Vivica lately at the club? Gorgeous babe! So very hot too. OMG!!! Date: 10/20/2009 10:53pm Name: markydesade (30) Subject: peterfreak.... Have not seen Hunter since before Labor Day. Don't think she dances her anymore... Date: 10/19/2009 7:47pm Name: Spawn (782) Subject: Club Payouts VIP Showgirls in North Hollywood has a 70% Dancer 30% House payout! 60 - 40 aint nuttin special! Xposed has a 50 - 50 payout! YIKES!!! Date: 10/19/2009 5:14pm Name: jintsyboy (58) Subject: Riley Chase Just checked out some of her greatest hits online. Yup. That's her. She's a brunette now. Date: 10/18/2009 7:05pm Name: Truthful (35) Subject: Riley Chase peterfreak: "I happened to be in earlier this week and notice that riley is th same girl as the porn star riley chase. I'm glad to see that she's no longer blonde since its not so much her color." What color is her hair now, pf? She was a hot blonde, IMO... http://www.eskimotube.com/show.php?searc... Date: 10/17/2009 1:44pm Name: peterfreak (New) Subject: new I happened to be in earlier this week and notice that riley is th same girl as the porn star riley chase. I'm glad to see that she's no longer blonde since its not so much her color. I see that some post talks about her voice , it is a little freakish. It looks like she had a nose job but not too much of a difference . Can anyone tell me hunters schedule now days? Date: 10/14/2009 3:06pm Name: Brbonz (83) Subject: Nadine Jintstboy, she is too skinny. Seems to have had a kid recently. Even tho she's skinny, there's some flap on the stomach and loose skin in her ass. Stretch marks on the small natural boobs. Dances were ok not hot. Beautiful face. Date: 10/14/2009 8:54am Name: BBWLover (541) Subject: dancers payout Big chain like DJVU is a good gage for industry standard. It is 60% to dancer and 40% to house. Independent operator like SJpomona is even more generous. $10 lap dance all goes to dancer but the house charge $25 a shift. On $75 VIP $50 to dancer $25 to house. Date: 10/14/2009 2:13am Name: empelo (328) Subject: payout jintsyboy wrote: "16 to dancer, 9 to club. Not sure what it is upstairs." Indeed, 4Play has been known for relatively low payouts, closer to 25% than the 50% "industry standard." Date: 10/13/2009 11:20pm Name: markydesade (28) Subject: candy Met her for the first time this weekend. Saw her up on stage and her body looked amazing but unfortunately didnt see her on the floor at all for the rest of the night. And thanks for the info re: dancer payouts, jintsy.. Date: 10/13/2009 8:01pm Name: jintsyboy (57) Subject: Payout and Nadine 16 to dancer, 9 to club. Not sure what it is upstairs. Yes, Nadine is her name. Really gorgeous. Just a bit too skinny for me. How are the dances with her? Date: 10/12/2009 11:23pm Name: markydesade (27) Subject: dancer payout Curious as to what the dancer payout is here. That is, for a $25 dance in the back room, what percentage do the dancers keep? Date: 10/12/2009 8:18am Name: Brbonz (79) Subject: Tall Russian The one knock-out surprise of the month is, Nadine. Saw her on Tuesday daytime. Tall and lanky with long straight brown hair, natural breast with a super beautiful face. Will be going back to see her this week. Date: 10/11/2009 8:20pm Name: jintsyboy (56) Subject: Nope... ...you are describing another new girl whose name I can't recall. She is really beautiful if a little too thin for me. Short dark hair and blue eyes. If you like 'em tall and waify she's your gal. I think her name might be Chase. No, Riley is not nearly as attractive and while not thick in the least, she does have a real body as opposed to Chase (or whatever her name is). Hennesy was in Friday night, thank god. This PL needed that after the drive home from Angels Stadium...the words "Boston Sucks" still ringing in my ears. Might have to go back tonite after Papelbon's horrendous choke. Ah well. At least the Giants are 5-0 and I'm 4-1 and in first place in my FFL. Jeez, how many different ways can I be a PL?! Go Angels, crush the fucking Yankees! Date: 10/9/2009 9:54pm Name: markydesade (25) Subject: maya was she a tall brunette (short hair), smallish (but nice) boobs? looked like a model.. she was fun. cant remember the last time i saw her and she doesnt respond to her email address. shame about hunter. at least jersey is still there. Date: 10/8/2009 10:56pm Name: jintsyboy (55) Subject: Been awhile... ...but I was back at the 4P Ranch last night for like the fourth time in the last month (which is a major reduction is my appearance rate). None of the girls I usually dance with were there, so I took a couple with Alexandria. Not bad, not great. Just a decent grind from a beautiful Russian. Interesting how the Russians who have the rep of being the biggest hustlers are always the most focused on you. The really bad news is that one of my all-time favorite dancers, Adrianna, a Russian 10 with the best attitude maybe in the whole joint, has left the business. I'm distraught. Also, I haven't seen Maya in forever. The Russians are leaving! The Russians are leaving! Management hasn't heard from Hunter in a while, so my guess is she's moved on or out. And no Hennessy or Kira last night. Ah well. Saved some dough. Oh, new girl named Riley. Brunette. Freakish voice. Weirdish face. Killer body. Someone dance with her, please? I can't get past the voice, bu I'd love to know what she's like. Date: 10/8/2009 3:07am Name: Playerhater (1) Subject: "Hustlers" I noticed in the past few months the girls that are newly hired are pretty immature and quite frankly, don't really fit the 4play standards. I suppose there will always be the ones who think they are hotter than the others and will charge double for dances. As a customer I don't think this is a good strategy because if I feel locked into something I more than likely won't buy more. I think it shows a lack of confidence on their part. With that being said, the greatest hustlers will make you feel like you're not being hustled. A lot of these girls are beginning to give the club a bad name (e.g. Isabelle and Megan). In response to the recent post, I haven't seen Hunter but she is a really nice girl and I hope she comes back soon. Date: 10/7/2009 7:57pm Name: markydesade (24) Subject: Hunter Has anyone seen her here recently? Her name hasn't been listed on the schedule for weeks and the last (and only) time I saw her was right before Labor Day.. Date: 10/5/2009 11:16am Name: TaosHum (354) Subject: LOL! I swear to God... is this the same person with a new alias? Oh... now it's "civilized"... pfft! I mean, really, they accept credit cards to pay for a fucking meal they served on "real plates" with silverware??? Wow, dude... big time, big time... How do you not get asked for a tip? Do you give them a $20 before the dance? Do you hand them your credit card and tell them to charge "what's fair"? Do you even get dances? Comical... in a very sad way... next time, could you tell us about the decor? Also, tell us what designers the girls are wearing because as you know, dudes are really concerned about everything EXCEPT actually getting a good dance... the most important things to a dude are: The ambiance. The interiors. Talking to the managers and bouncers and making sure they are "swell" guys. The food. Oh yes, most importantly, MONEY IS NO OBJECT when you're talking about being in the company of an "upscale" woman. You can ONLY find an "upscale" woman at 4Play, you won't find an "upscale" woman at any other club, only here. Date: 10/3/2009 5:33pm Name: Mr_Black (1) Subject: player hater/johnny regular In response to player hater, I danced with isabel and was very disappoointed! NOt only did she not stop trying to upsell me but had the balls to demand, not ask, for a tip after talking the whole time trying to get me to go upstairs for all of the songs!!! I get it, but don't agree with it! Completely ruined my whole experience....if I want to pay to get a dance, I should get that.... And johnny regular....I agree with you on everything, but, its a double edged sword...I'm sure guys come in and treat the girls like sh*t, but I have no doubt that cool guys come in and girls treat them like sh*t!!!! (See paragraph above) There is no doubt there are hot girls here, but most seem like they can just do or say whatever they want....thanks, but no thanks. Attitude Date: 10/1/2009 5:41pm Name: CAPI (11) Subject: adultcon adultcon after part at the rio Date: 9/25/2009 8:13pm Name: JohnnyRegular (1) Subject: Girls, girls, girls ! Went last night and noticed how many more professionals or regulars come on Thursdays ! On the weekends I see mostly kids and club goers hang out and spend little to "no" money ! I asked a couple of girls and they confirmed that they go "upstairs" a lot more on Thursdays ! Probably the most requested girls I've seen go to either the side room or upstairs were Des, Isabelle, Meagan and a couple of others whose names elude me now - does that mean they give the "best" dances ? Would love to get other peoples opinion on that one? For my money, the "hottest" looking is that Des chick followed by Isabelle, Meagan and Vivica (a little chunky)! The nicest ones seem to be Jade and Kyra (?), the ladder has an amazing Pole routine. Overall, I find the girls much hotter at 4Play than at Plan B and I actually think the food is worth paying for at 4Play (only $10). All in all, a very pleasant experience for me, especially on a week night. Club Dancers Attitude Nasty Factor Date: 9/20/2009 11:58pm Name: JohnnyRegular (New) Subject: Here is how I see it ! First time poster, as well as first time reader ! I find it rather amusing how some here chose to use this message board to "vent" their frustrations with their own social or love life and conveniently project it unto the girls of 4Play or any other Exotic Dance Club in the area. The last time I checked, any and all clubs still invited citizens to come in and clearly displayed the costs involved, either to enter their establishments or their various VIP areas - NO ONE was EVER forced to pay their advertised prices ! Strip clubs, in my opinion, are there to allow men (or women)to be entertained by naked or semi-naked performers who are compensated for this privilege. They are there to "make money" and as much money as they possible can, like any other sales person in any other sales position ! While it is "our" money that we are spending, think for just a moment about what a dancer chooses to endure - rudeness, condescending demeanor, bad breath, bad body odor, unwarranted physical advances, solicitations and worst of all REJECTION ! Not as easy as it looks, don't you think ? I appreciate what a stripper does for "us" men (again, also for women)and IF I chose to pay them their "fee", I do so gladly, but only if I feel I was treated the way I expected to be treated. Their job would be a whole lot easier if men appreciated them a little more, in general, and maybe, just maybe their attitude towards men would be a whole lot friendlier ! Remember, the girls didn't ask YOU to come there, YOU chose to visit THEM ! Treat them as if you are privileged to be there, not as if you are entitled ! I, for one, get much much better service, because I chose to treat them well ! I'm just saying.... Club Dancers Attitude Nasty Factor Date: 9/19/2009 1:43am Name: HULK (18) Subject: When does ??!!?! When does Hennessey Work? Date: 9/16/2009 10:43pm Name: paigespick (11) Subject: isabel et al she's okay. she's hot, but a little mechanical. Nothing crazy really. I heard britney was on roll-call today. Is this the same britney that use to dance a few months ago. The one that wore the 'sex' chocker? Date: 9/16/2009 9:57pm Name: Playerhater (New) Subject: Isabelle I had quite the experience with a beautiful girl named Isabelle for a very lower price. She's one of the newer dancers. Has anyone had an experience with her? She's good looking, but a bit tacky for my taste. Not sure if I would go back for her. Club Dancers Attitude Nasty Factor Date: 9/16/2009 9:37pm Name: osito27 (4)